Question/Info about leaving site

Sir_Roger_deLodger

Nozone wrote: »

I very much doubt there was any photographic evidence of me taken by these two clowns, and if there was it will be of me walking away about 100m away, with a wooly hat on and my coat collar turned up (it was freezing that day!), so yeah I'm thinking/hoping good luck with that one!

Stop worrying about photographic evidence. Even if they had a high definition photo of you smiling and waving at the camera, they still couldn't identify you. Even the police don't have that capability, or there wouldn't be all those "do you know this person?" photos on Crimewatch.

Just ignore the PPC.

hammer68

sky sports update

received a letter from DRP today saying they may start litgation procedures but their client is willing to accept a discounted payment of £120 from £150. discount it to £0.00 then we can start talking

27col

give_them_FA wrote: »

Don't start arguing the facts. The PPC won't be interested. The fact that they are trying to wheedle £150 out of you for doing nothing wrong surely confirms to you, as a University Graduate, what their game is. Forget CCTV- they will assume the driver was the RK, especially if he/she continues to ignore them.

Bottom line- they are only in it for the money. MOST people are wise to the scam and don't pay. As soon as they get to a certain number of letters, they will realise YOU are one of the wise ones, and won't spend any more money on a futile attempt to collect.

The other certainty is that they will NOT take it to court. Forget that- empty threat. So long as they keep getting zero response they can't even name a defendant, because they have no actual evidence on the identity of the driver.

BTW not clear from reading your post but are the letters coming to you or RK? I took it to be RK since only way they could come to you is if you'd made contact.

Unfortunately you are wrong in your assumption that most people do not pay. They do. However the regulars on this forum are steadily eroding their customer/scam base and we hope that your assertion will come true in the near future.

HO87

+1 27col

The figures suggest that as many as 60% of recipients pay up immediately and that more take a little "persuasion" - hence the increasingly threatening letters.

By the by, the so-called "leaving site" infringement is a PPC concoction designed to set yet another trip wire for innocent motorists and enable them to increase their take. Keep in mind that the purpose of PPC's is to make lots of money and their perspective completely lacks any discretion or deterrence. They want to catch people out for arbitrary infractions and catch as many as they can. Can you imagine what it would be like if the police could make up the rules and each officer got paid on results? This is the reality of what we are dealing with when we encounter PPC's.

If PPC's actually provide a service to supermarket agents/landowners or mall operators then they do so as an adjunct to their own money making schemes. If the truth were told the greatest service - in terms of value - that is transacted between PPC's and the agents/landowners they supposedly "act" for then it is the provision of the service by the agents/landowners to the PPC in allowing them to tax-farm their car parks.

give_them_FA

I made my statement on the basis that I had seen figures quoted on this forum that the payment rate on invoices was 30-35%. Where are there any statistics? How can you find any? It's a sure bet (in my view) that the BPA won't want to admit that large numbers of people refuse to pay with impunity. So, 27col and HO87, where do your figures come from? I only ask because I am interested in knowing.

HO87

These are "industry" figures but when compared with the number of known DVLA enquiries and company financial reports seem to be reasonably accurate or at least believable.

You must bear in mind that invoices are designed to be both convincing and intimidating and are issued against a backdrop of what are commonly viewed as no-wriggle council penalty notices. Couple this with a public who have been indoctrinated to believe that anything with a hint of "debt" attached to it is wrong and that fighting anything in court is far too much like hassle and these companies have it made.

give_them_FA

Thanks, HO, difficult to trust the industry when it tells lies about just about everything else... but that still, even if accurate, show that probably 100s of thousands of drivers refuse to pay these "invoices" with impunity... our job is, by advice on here, and telling all our "clients" to pass it on to everyone they know, to educate the motorists that this is one bunch of leeches they DON'T have to pay...

unlike the councils, the speed cameras, DVLA, Hm Treasury, insurance companies, garages...:(:(:(:(