4x4s and bad weather

niggyp

Today on my way to work i saw an accident..well when im saying accident there was only 1 vehicle involved
a mitsuibishi shogun ended up on its side in a field just after a slight bend in the road..everyone else was taking it easy what with the icy roads and all..but not mr 4x4 he must have been of the mindset that he was immune from all the snow and ice in his big shiny 4x4 and he could carry on as normal...epic fail

im not saying that all 4x4 drivers are like this (although i work with 2 that also believe they are invincible) but some obviously are

i await the tirade of abuse..............

Lum

You wont get much abuse for that post here. The "must get a 4x4 for the 2" of snow" brigade are often mocked.

Thing to remember is all cars have 4 wheel braking and a Shogun is a lot heavier and carries a lot more momentum than a normal car.

Don't suppose you noticed what sort of tyres were fitted do you? We took my GF's RWD sportscar out on Saturday for a play in the snow with the Nokian WR-G2s fitted. She said the car handled the same as it does when she's driving in the wet on the Goodyear Eagle F1's she normally uses.

Strider590

niggyp wrote: »

Today on my way to work i saw an accident..well when im saying accident there was only 1 vehicle involved
a mitsuibishi shogun ended up on its side in a field just after a slight bend in the road..everyone else was taking it easy what with the icy roads and all..but not mr 4x4 he must have been of the mindset that he was immune from all the snow and ice in his big shiny 4x4 and he could carry on as normal...epic fail

im not saying that all 4x4 drivers are like this (although i work with 2 that also believe they are invincible) but some obviously are

i await the tirade of abuse..............

LOL just LOL :rotfl:

I bet the owner was standing there going "I don't know how it could have happened!!"

Someone sticky this thread (and the recent premium v regular fuel thread), it'll save the numpties asking the "should I get a 4x4" question every 3 f****** weeks :mad:


http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/autocarconfidential/archive/2010/11/25/158680.aspx

SUVs and 4x4s often can’t stop in the snow, and are more likely to be involved in an accident than normal cars in snowy conditions.

Limey

Ooops! Silly 4x4 driver and I own one (not a shogun though). :rotfl:

I think some training is in order for him.

Limey

The chunkier tyres do help if they're all terrain or full off road tyres for both getting away and stopping but as mentioned there's a limit of traction which once exceeded is probably harder to regain in the heavier 4x4.

I had a lot of fun in the snow last year in my fat old Surf, she seemed to go and stop equally well, just need to take it easy, be smooth with throttle and brake inputs (unless in an empty car park:D) and know the limits of the vehicle on the road.

sunshinetours

Limey wrote: »

The chunkier tyres do help if they're all terrain or full off road tyres for both getting away and stopping but as mentioned there's a limit of traction which once exceeded is probably harder to regain in the heavier 4x4.

I had a lot of fun in the snow last year in my fat old Surf, she seemed to go and stop equally well, just need to take it easy, be smooth with throttle and brake inputs (unless in an empty car park:D) and know the limits of the vehicle on the road.

No they don't necessarily help you stop on icy roads. They might do if they are also snowflake marked winter tyres with the softer compound as well as being M&S marked tyres.

Part of the problem with some 4x4 drivers is that they haven't got a clue how best to use the equipment they do have at their disposal. Many 4x4's are superior at getting away and getting up slopes etc than your average road car but you still have to steer and stop which they are no better at by default

sunshinetours

niggyp wrote: »

Today on my way to work i saw an accident..well when im saying accident there was only 1 vehicle involved
a mitsuibishi shogun ended up on its side in a field just after a slight bend in the road..everyone else was taking it easy what with the icy roads and all..but not mr 4x4 he must have been of the mindset that he was immune from all the snow and ice in his big shiny 4x4 and he could carry on as normal...epic fail

im not saying that all 4x4 drivers are like this (although i work with 2 that also believe they are invincible) but some obviously are

i await the tirade of abuse..............

No tirade of abuse for your reasoning which probably has some basis in fact, but you presumably didn't witness the accident and are just assuming everything and obviously looking for a reply so there you go - you now have one

Lum

There's not many other explanations for a single vehicle in a ditch on a corner.

I know! Maybe 4 of his mates decided to play a prank and carried it there the night before?

Strider590

Lum wrote: »

There's not many other explanations for a single vehicle in a ditch on a corner.

I know! Maybe 4 of his mates decided to play a prank and carried it there the night before?

He was travelling around a corner when suddenly out of nowhere a ditch jumped out and attacked his car

sunshinetours

Lum wrote: »

There's not many other explanations for a single vehicle in a ditch on a corner.

I know! Maybe 4 of his mates decided to play a prank and carried it there the night before?

As I said probably some basis in his reasonaning but quite clearly posting for a reaction IMO

Lack of concentration, puncture, adjusting stereo/sat nav, car approaching on wrong side fo road are all reason why accident MAY have happened....


...or he may have been a prat in a 4x4 of course

TrickyWicky

niggyp wrote: »

i await the tirade of abuse..............

Why? - No-one really likes the arrogant 4x4 driver these days. We have one near us who has it to drive her two kids around town. Totally pointlss but she's one of them who thinks it gives her some status.

ThomasEvans wrote: »

4x4 drivers can get away faster than everyone else because of the 4x4 drive system

Seriously? - You think putting your foot to the floor in a 4x4 will make them go faster? - I'd say it'll make their wheels spin just as fast as a normal motorists. 4x4s were not designed and built for snow, they were designed and built for off road driving. I've no idea why people continue to think that the snow/ice and off road mud go hand in hand.