Dulux Trade Satinwood or Dulux Trade Diamond Satinwood

Woody39

Help!

Im about to paint 6 x internal panel doors which have come already primed. Can't decide which paint to use. I want a satinwood finish and a paint that is going to withstand a lot of wiping down (small children) and I want to put on no more than 2 coats, thats why I have chosen a Trade paint.

Having spoken to Dulux Trade centre, they advised me to go with the Diamond, as it is less smellier, less likely to go yellow and will dry quicker as it is water based and is more hard wearing, but is more expensive. The Trade Satinwood is oil based and does leave an odour and takes longer to dry.

Is this all just a sales pitch! Maybe someone can advise me who has used these paints and give me there honest opinion!

THANK YOU

barneyg

My personal preference would be to use the oil based - I find it easier to work with and it feels much nicer when it's dried. I've also used the Diamond version recently and even with the right brush it was a pain to get looking good and now it's dried it somehow doesn't feel as 'thick' a coat as the oil based.

You'd lose out on the price difference, but one way to minimise the yellowing is to get it mixed in a slightly off-white colour in the first place The Glidden oil based (also from Dulux) was nice to use too and should be a bit cheaper - but again does suffer from yellowing.

Also worth checking out what the doors are made of - when I did mine the manufacturer instructions said not to use water based paint.

nickj_2

i've just used diamond satinwood on a job , i can't say i was over impressed with it , it tends to scratch off if you are using it on a gloss surface ,even with a good sanding down , it doesn't cover as well as oil based stuff , even after 2 coats i was happy with it and the doors were already white ,
i don't think i will use it again , the only advantages with it are that it's easy to put on , dries really quick and doesn't smell and stays whiter , where as the oil based isn't as quick to put on , smells , but is a lot tougher

keystone

Wouldn't use either if I could help it - hate the finish almost as much as silk emulsion but thats personal preference.

Objectively, though, I'd say the spirit based.

Cheers

Woody39

I have checked about the doors and I can use either. I am very undecided on which paint.

The oil based one (Trade Satinwood) will yellow and takes forever to dry and quite smelly! Where as the water based one (satinwood diamond) dries within hours, less smellier and stays white. I have read reviews about the water based one and it can leave a bad finish!

I still have my existing frames to paint. I have sanded them down to give them a key, but can I use water based paint on top off oil based paint?

Leif

I don't trust Dulux wood paint. I applied Dulux white oil based gloss paint to a loft panel, and a few months later it was cream colour, and now it is pale yellow. The white architrave around it is still white. The paint came from a tin with a blue lid which supposedly means it was post the yellowing fiasco, and in an email Dulux customer support said they had solved the yellowing problem. Yeah, right. Most of my woodwork is now done with Sikkens Satura Plus, which does not use linseed oil, and consequently it is said to not yellow, or yellow much more slowly. Certainly it does not yellow as per the Dulux gloss. It has a satin finish, which I really like despite being a fan of gloss. The problem is EU regs which have restricted the additives in oil based paint. That said, some of the chemicals are nasty, and I get headaches when I use oil based paint. Hardly surprising, given the brain damage suffered by glue sniffers.

There are other makes of water based paint. The Sikkens Rubbol BL is said to be good, with a satin finish. Some people like Caparol paints. I tested Ronseal Diamond White Gloss, a very nice finish. By the way, some painters use an additive called Floetrol which makes the water based paint flow better, and keeps a wet edge for longer. Dare I say pop over to the UltimateHandyMan web site for good threads by working decorators, and friendly too. And it might be worth testing paints, buy small tins, and find some scrap wood, then try them out. I tested a Dulux water based paint (Quick Dry was I think the name), vile, very thin, ick ick ick.

john.h

Leif wrote: »

I don't trust Dulux wood paint. I applied Dulux white oil based gloss paint to a loft panel, and a few months later it was cream colour, and now it is pale yellow. The white architrave around it is still white. The paint came from a tin with a blue lid which supposedly means it was post the yellowing fiasco, and in an email Dulux customer support said they had solved the yellowing problem. Yeah, right. Most of my woodwork is now done with Sikkens Satura Plus, which does not use linseed oil, and consequently it is said to not yellow, or yellow much more slowly. Certainly it does not yellow as per the Dulux gloss. It has a satin finish, which I really like despite being a fan of gloss. The problem is EU regs which have restricted the additives in oil based paint. That said, some of the chemicals are nasty, and I get headaches when I use oil based paint. Hardly surprising, given the brain damage suffered by glue sniffers.

There are other makes of water based paint. The Sikkens Rubbol BL is said to be good, with a satin finish. Some people like Caparol paints. I tested Ronseal Diamond White Gloss, a very nice finish. By the way, some painters use an additive called Floetrol which makes the water based paint flow better, and keeps a wet edge for longer. Dare I say pop over to the UltimateHandyMan web site for good threads by working decorators, and friendly too. And it might be worth testing paints, buy small tins, and find some scrap wood, then try them out. I tested a Dulux water based paint (Quick Dry was I think the name), vile, very thin, ick ick ick.

Same as me, i used the Sikkens Rubbol BL Satura.....

John...

rotoguys

Always use a good quality oil based paint for all woodwork indoors.

Over the years I have tried nearly everything, but the old adage still stands. Oil v Water - Oil wins hands down everytime.

john.h

rotoguys wrote: »

Always use a good quality oil based paint for all woodwork indoors.

Over the years I have tried nearly everything, but the old adage still stands. Oil v Water - Oil wins hands down everytime.

Says who??? As Leif says go on Ultimarehandyman and ask professional decorators.. Every time i have used oil based paint it has yellowed in 6 months..

john..

Leif

john.h wrote: »

Says who??? As Leif says go on Ultimarehandyman and ask professional decorators.. Every time i have used oil based paint it has yellowed in 6 months..

john..

Note that Sikkens do two versions of Satural, one oil based which I used and which does not yellow in six months (supposedly not after many years) and the other is water based, which you used. I think it is the linseed oil in 'normal' oil based paint that is the main problem.

But as you have found water based paints are getting better. That Ronseal paint has a very nice finish. But I was unable to apply it without runs, probably my lack of experience. Perhaps I should have used the Sickens Rubbol BL.

Oh, and to the OP, if you do use oil based paint, get yourself a Brushmate, they are a complete god send. I have been painting for a couple of months now, and have not cleaned any brushes used with oil based paint. Also get good brushes. There are some brilliant deals on Purdy brushes in packs of ~5. Good brushes DO make a difference: better finish, no bristle loss.

Leif

john.h wrote: »

Same as me, i used the Sikkens Rubbol BL Satura.....

John...

Not same as me - - but how did you get on with the Rubbol BL? Did you have any issues with large areas such as doors? Any problem with runs?