Support Group - anyone in for pain?

cagneyfan

Mandymull wrote: »

both my daughters are in the support group for ESA , beong profundly disabled and NO THEY ARE NOT ''imbecile''...would have thought you could have found a better word to use than that

Mandy, I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to imply yours or anyones loved ones were imbeciles. I'm resisiting the urge to try and explain myself more for fear of making it worse.

I simply meant that it seemed the Government were being extremely blinkered in their view as to what constitutes an inability to do a job.

Please know that I am very sorry for offending. It was truly unintended.

cagneyfan

Chorlie wrote: »

I'm in the Support Group, I'm disabled (from birth) permintant wheelchair user, went to a 'Normal Secondy School' did my 'O' Levels and when I left I worked for 20yrs in Finance dealing with 100's of Millions of £, $, € etc in single transactions. I also did night school courses for further exams & all the time paying Taxes, Pension, Plus Saving etc.....but due to my disability my condition has got worse over the years and I couldn't continue doing my job, since I was spending as much time off sick as I was working.....


So this makes me an 'Imbecile'?........Thanks

No Chorlie, I definately don't think that - and I truly apologise if that's how it sounded.

I was trying to point out that the Government only seem to think a person is unable to work if they rely totally on others (not that I think those who do are what the defination means). It was definately the wrong word to use and I'm gutted I didn't check the definition before using it. But if I did, then it's obvious that you wouldn't be what that word means.

I was trying to point out that it's the Government with the blinkered view - but again, I'm very sorry for the choice of word.

cagneyfan

harleq1962 wrote: »

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I know, I'm really sorry. I don't think I'll risk offending anyone anymore by not posting again. Apologies once again.

cagneyfan

pollycakes wrote: »

My daughter has moderate learning disabilities and it was a nightmare when her benefits changed over to ESA, the medical assessments aren't geared towards people with intellectual disabilities and the nurse assessing my daughter was getting frustrated when my daughter refused to answer her questions down to anxiety leaving me to answer, She failed to meet the criteria for the support group although she attends a LD day centre 5 days a week and really shouldn't be in the work related group. So being learning disabled doen't automatically entailed you to ESA.

I agree and I hope you can appeal and get the result that is right

cagneyfan

rotoguys wrote: »

Well you may be right. I was called an imbecile many times at school by the teachers. I was also called a few other choice names as well that can't be put on this site!

My wife has called me an imbecile on many occasions when I have annoyed her.

And I'm in the Support Group of ESA - was put there for 3 years, so I must really be an unqualifed imbecile to get landed with that prognosis!!

To be honest with you that word does get used in the context you say (your wife calling you for example). It, like other words are used without meaning the worst part of the definition (if that makes sense).

I genuinely didn't mean I thought of people in the Support Group were as the worst part of the definition describes - but that the Government were only prepared to put people in the Support Group who were totally unable to care for themselves, and that other people with different types of physical disability were going to be deemed fit for work. Apologies if I offended you

Richie-from-the-Boro

cagneyfan wrote: »

I know, I'm really sorry. I don't think I'll risk offending anyone anymore by not posting again. Apologies once again.

Don't stop posting over this, and stop apologising. You chose a word that was random and unfortunate, but I'm sure was not deliberate or planned in its use to hurt or insult anyone in this group.

It was what it is, used in the vernacular its simply a derogatory term, but one for which you have made restitution.

churchrat

hi

yes, please keep posting. Its a problem with the internet that everything is written down and every mistake is there for all to see, whereas if you had said it you only have the chance to offend the people who hear you. On a forum you can offend hundreds.


the person who says they have never said something they later regret is lying, so please--enough already!!!!

oh--we have esa problems in this house as well, you are far from alone.

rotoguys

cagneyfan wrote: »

To be honest with you that word does get used in the context you say (your wife calling you for example). It, like other words are used without meaning the worst part of the definition (if that makes sense).

I genuinely didn't mean I thought of people in the Support Group were as the worst part of the definition describes - but that the Government were only prepared to put people in the Support Group who were totally unable to care for themselves, and that other people with different types of physical disability were going to be deemed fit for work. Apologies if I offended you

Nah, there is no need to apologise.

If I was to get upset with what people have called me and said about me I wouldn't be here now!

I don't give a flying t**s what people think and say.

Mind you I have been called a few choice things on this site, so it seems to be par for the course.

At least I can prove I am a raving nutter, I have a certificate and care plan from the psychiatric unit I was in that proves it! I'll bet not many can say that!

Invalidation

rogerblack wrote: »

If, for example, you can't walk because of pain, that isn't automatic grounds for ESA, as you can in principle use a wheelchair.

If you have severe back pain, using a wheelchair is, to all intents and purposes, impossible.
I was given one and it took about 10 seconds to realise I couldnt use it. Simply pushing the wheels causes me such intense pain as to nearly black out.
Even if you dont have constant pain, the actual physical act of using a wheelchair could actually create pain and spasm in the back.

I tried an electric powered chair and the slightes bump sent mind blowing pain straight up my spine.

rotoguys

Invalidation wrote: »

If you have severe back pain, using a wheelchair is, to all intents and purposes, impossible.
I was given one and it took about 10 seconds to realise I couldnt use it. Simply pushing the wheels causes me such intense pain as to nearly black out.
Even if you dont have constant pain, the actual physical act of using a wheelchair could actually create pain and spasm in the back.

I tried an electric powered chair and the slightes bump sent mind blowing pain straight up my spine.

It's not that I don't believe you, but it is quite amusing looking back on some of the subjects that have arisen on this site going back a few years.

First we have the 'new' ESA benefit - people trying to figure out what they need to do to 'pass' the test that they didn't need to do for IB. Then we have the 'amended' descriptors re mobility. Now we have people trying to find ways of getting round the 'virtual' wheelchair scenario. And over the past 6/12 months I have seen an increasing number of 'how do I get into the Support Group' questions with everyone knowing that they will be kicked off ESA in April.

Some of these conditions/illnesses whatever you want to call them seem to change; complications seem to arise that might just help get them into the SG or pass the new mobility test.

It is laughable to see how some conditions change when new regs come out.

If the government brought out a new reg into checking if you can clap your hands together 10 times, there would be a groundswell of cases where their conditions have just deteriorated to such an extent that clapping has become an impossible task!

I virtually can't walk, but I do try to keep myself into some sort of level of fitness. My love is music. Always has been, always played in bands.

Now that that isn't possible anymore, I bought myself an electronic drum kit for use at home with headphones. You may ask why? because it exercises the upper body muscles, arms, neck, back.

I can sit down and excercise, I could still even play in a band as long as I sit down. But humping the gear around has put paid to that idea.

I passed the ESA test - Support Group, mainly because of mobility problems. Take it again with the new regs I will fail. Or should I conveniently forget to mention my hobby??