Greece...

antrobus

Graham_Devon wrote: »

And something I didn't think I'd see today (or anytime soon).

Germanies Vice Chancellor admits it was a mistake to let Greece into the Euro and that the EU has watched the problems getting worse for far too long.

The really interesting thing about Sigmar Gabriel who is, of course, the leader of the German SDP, is that this time last month he was reported to have "spoke passionately about the need to keep Greece in the Eurozone", but is now saying that "Tsipras and his government are leading the Greek people on a path of bitter abandonment and hopelessness," and have "torn down the last bridges on which Greece and Europe could have moved towards a compromise".

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/07/05/uk-eurozone-greece-germany-gabriel-idUKKCN0PF0XV20150705

Mistermeaner

do you think we could offer Greece scotland as an incentive to leave quietly?

Generali

ggb1979 wrote: »

do you think we could offer Greece scotland as an incentive to leave quietly?

They could bail each other out.

danothy

Generali wrote: »

They could bail each other out.

Maybe they could form a new union in which they show us all how it's done. Might be a bit of a North-South divide though ...

Thrugelmir

antrobus wrote: »

I'm not sure who the two holdouts would be. I'm guessing that Cyprus could be one of them.

Appears that France is one.

remorseless

Seriously - you can't make this stuff up even if you try!!!!



maybe they're just taking the p-iss!

antrobus

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Appears that France is one.

The suggestions I've seen are France and Italy.


I'm only guessing Cyprus might be one on the basis that they have already announced they are willing to write off their share of the Greek debt. (OK, it's only €300m or so, but it's a start.)


Of course, all that depends on Kathimerini's Brussels source being right about it being 16 out of 18. It might be 18 out of 18, with 2 making conciliatory noises for domestic consumption, or some different number all together.


All that can be said for certain is that there are a number of countries in eastern Europe who are not at all happy about the idea of forking out money to bail out a country that is actually richer than they are.

Graham_Devon

remorseless wrote: »

Seriously - you can't make this stuff up even if you try!!!!



maybe they're just taking the p-iss!

They went to the meeting without any NEW proposals. Which is not much of a surprise really.

They submitted the proposals last week, which is what started the whole "we will not discuss anything until after the referendum" stuff from the EU.

As the proposals were for the last negotiations, Greece now has to submit fresh proposals.....

....Which will in all liklihood, be the same as the last ones.

It really depends on the media reporting, but so far from the "Eurogroup" we have:
1. Greece have no proposals
2. Greece has no new proposals
3. Greece submits the same proposals.

Edit: and now 4. EU will not consider proposals due to referendum and ask for new proposals.

With twitter, it's all about conveying a message, not necessarily the facts. The tweet you reference is from an EU Brussels correspondent, and is therefore conveying the messages that the greeks are idiots.

I honestly don't see the point anymore! We know nothing the Greeks put forward will be good enough, especially after the IMF statement, so what's the point in carrying on this farce?

The Greeks are not ready to move, especially after the referendum - it's likely they are more entrenched. The EU is not willing to move. It's now just a game of "surprise" it seems while all these people waste their time and our money. At least were sheltered from some of this money wastage!

Graham_Devon

This is getting sillier by the minute.

Greece "sources" state they were going to discuss the proposals Merkel sttaed would not be discussed until after the referendum.

Merkel "sources" state the deadline passed and therefore new proposals are needed.

Both are going to blame each other until they meet tommorow for the same all expenses paid waste of time.

In the meantime, it's the "last chance" as time is running out......for about the 54th time in a row.

The EU want new proposals from Greece as the deal deadline has passed. However, the EU have no new deal. It's the same one that the "deadline has passed on".

I think we need to accept in the UK that our referendum should simply be in or out.....forget trying to change this farce.

mwpt

The possibility that both sides want Greece out of the Euro (possibly the EU) is looking a little more likely. Neither side want to be the ones to pull the trigger though? Greeks antagonising the EU while 'stealthily' defaulting? EU aware of this but not wanting to be seen to force Greece out?

Just musings, nothing based on facts.