Car boot sale - cakes?

mildred1978

Also 'regularly' is a meaningless term.

I regularly see my dentist - once a year.

I regularly shop online - once a week.

I regularly clean my teeth - twice a day.

If what they mean is 'not/frequently' then that's different.

pesky85

Thanks for everyone's opinions on this matter. I think I will speak to the people running the boot sale (its a one off charity boot sale held on the site of a local holiday park) and see what they think. They have already stipulated that they do not want commercial food vans on the premises (eg burger vans) but I'm hoping they won't consider my few plates of cakes a commerical food outlet!!

I have looked on my council website before and it wasn't very clear....

And you're right, it is my first boot sale - I currently don't plan to do anymore, but if I do well, then who knows?! So I would like to do it properly from the outset.

If it does mean jumping through lots of hoops I'll probably save myself the bother and leave the cakes at home

QuackQuackOops

looby75 wrote: »

I suppose thats the risk a buyer takes when buying homemade cakes at carboot sales/craft fairs I suppose.

As I said she doesn't do it very often and has checked with the council to see if she needed any kind of licence or permission, they said no as it's not a regular thing.

She's never had any problems, in fact the exact opposite someone who bought cakes from her the first time she sold them keeps asking her to make them more regularly, she just doesn't have the time though.

Which council has told someone that they can sell homemade cakes to the general public without having any certification or permission?

QuackQuackOops

lynzpower wrote: »

Given the fact that incorrect labelling can land someone in hospital or even kill them: this is not the 'risk someone, its not the 'risk people take'

The labelling regulations not only apply here but across the whole of the EU. hey are there to protect peoples health and to work in breach of them is putting people at risk for the sake of making a few quid seems selfish in the extreme!

The law is crystal clear http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1990/16/section/2



and

http://www.food.gov.uk/safereating/allergyintol/label/

Plenty of info on the food standards agency as to what the law says.
Including this about labelling http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/publication/allergenlabelguidance09.pdf

Appreciate what you are trying to say but when was the last time you went into a local run bakery, picked a cream bun and then asked to see a list of ingredients?
Bakery shops do not have items in packaging that have ingredients on them.

When people quote laws, they really need to get the whole information before posting it because otherwise its meaningless.

QuackQuackOops

pesky85 wrote: »

Thanks for everyone's opinions on this matter. I think I will speak to the people running the boot sale (its a one off charity boot sale held on the site of a local holiday park) and see what they think. They have already stipulated that they do not want commercial food vans on the premises (eg burger vans) but I'm hoping they won't consider my few plates of cakes a commerical food outlet!!

I have looked on my council website before and it wasn't very clear....

And you're right, it is my first boot sale - I currently don't plan to do anymore, but if I do well, then who knows?! So I would like to do it properly from the outset.

If it does mean jumping through lots of hoops I'll probably save myself the bother and leave the cakes at home

If its a charity sale, you might find that there is already a cake stall and you would be stepping on their toes.
Also, if the organisers said it was ok for you to sell cakes would you still do so knowing that if anyone were to get seriously ill from eating them you could lose your house??

Crowqueen

QuackQuackOops wrote: »

Appreciate what you are trying to say but when was the last time you went into a local run bakery, picked a cream bun and then asked to see a list of ingredients?
Bakery shops do not have items in packaging that have ingredients on them.

When people quote laws, they really need to get the whole information before posting it because otherwise its meaningless.

They probably have them on request.

The links are to the food safety authorities - .gov.uk - so it's fairly safe to assume they know what they are talking about and not messing about based on some rather vague conception of "common sense". To me it's important to know what I'm putting in my mouth and that the seller has baked them in a hygienic kitchen. There were cakes for sale on Etsy in America where you could clearly see a hair in the picture. Yuck!

Greggs, for instance, have a notice on the wall stating what is in their cakes and sandwiches so people with allergies know what to avoid. To be honest, I think your local bakers probably work well within the law on this one.

If you are going to make money out of people, the least you can do is protect those people's health by obeying the numerous rules on the issue. Otherwise, you could end up with problems. Whether you make one cake or one thousand, you are still bound by the same rules.

thistledome

People have been buying home made cakes from jumble sales and boot sales for donkey's years. Can someone provide a link to the numbers of deaths caused by this practice?

What a load of sanctimonious rubbish on this thread.

Everybody's up in arms about someone making a couple of quid and not telling the taxman. No wonder this country is going to the dogs, initiative is crushed by pointless beaurocracy and an army of snitchers who resent anyone with a bit of creativity and gumption getting up off their bum and doing something for themselves.

Crowqueen

thistledome wrote: »

People have been buying home made cakes from jumble sales and boot sales for donkey's years. Can someone provide a link to the numbers of deaths caused by this practice?

What a load of sanctimonious rubbish on this thread.

Everybody's up in arms about someone making a couple of quid and not telling the taxman. No wonder this country is going to the dogs, initiative is crushed by pointless beaurocracy and an army of snitchers who resent anyone with a bit of creativity and gumption getting up off their bum and doing something for themselves.

Yeah, but it's not a case of what people have been doing for donkey's years, it's a case of what the organisers of the boot sale have to say about it. If the OP does not do her homework and find out what's allowed, then they risk wasting time and effort on what the organisers do or don't let people sell at a car boot sale. Yes, if you were having a private jumble sale, I'm sure no-one would mind particularly. I don't think anyone polices our church fete too closely. But car boot sales are fairly assiduous about it - because you're selling to more than just your close friends and because the general public have a right to eat food that has been prepared in a hygienic manner. Much as you bluster about it, I'm sure you wouldn't eat something that you didn't know the provenance of.

People are a lot more careful about what they put in their mouths - attitudes change. We live longer now than we ever have done - possibly thanks to more awareness of safety and hygiene and thus fewer parasites, bacteria and so on in food. Remember the scare over salmonella in eggs? Remember e.coli? What do you do in your own fridge? Do you take care when storing raw and cooked meat? So do you not expect other people to do the same? Presumably you wash your hands when you prepare food? Would you not expect someone to prove that they store their food correctly if you were going to buy it? So how, exactly, does having to have an EH licence hurt people? Does it not actually protect people from someone else's bad habits? Do you eat at restaurants that are less than clean and wonder what you're eating? I've had food poisoning from a Little Chef. People die from anaphylactic shock from being exposed accidentally to nuts. Is that not common sense to try and protect the public?

And tax evasion is a crime that can get sent to prison, so I wouldn't advocate it on a public forum. HMRC do inspect car boot sales, so I don't think that kind of advice is going to get the OP very much further than court.

looby75

QuackQuackOops wrote: »

Which council has told someone that they can sell homemade cakes to the general public without having any certification or permission?

my local council

looby75

Crowqueen wrote: »

. To me it's important to know what I'm putting in my mouth and that the seller has baked them in a hygienic kitchen.

then don't buy a cake from a car boot sale or craft fair then.....jobs a good'un :rotfl::rotfl: