New style cistern with low level WC pan

Richard_Webster

I normally inhabit the House Buying & Selling Board where I give advice but here I need advice!

We've just taken the toilet out of a very small understair "cloakroom" - a misnomer because no room whatever for any cloaks!. It needs to be replaced and I thought it would be easy to find a cheap one at B&Q etc - but it doesn't seem that simple! All the cheap new toilets are close coupled and don't look as if they will fit.

The back wall where the old plastic cistern was attached is wooden having been moved when this "cloakroom" was created out of a pantry 25 years ago.

The foul discharge pipe goes off the side through the wall and is about 110mm diameter. This goes through the side wall 50mm from the back wall. In order to bend the pipe into the back of the WC pan we need a distance of 200mm from the back of the pan to the wall behind it. All the cheap modern ones at B&Q and Wickes are close coupled and the maximum distance between the back of the cistern (which would attached to the wall) and the back of pan is about 150mm.

So it looks as if we have to go for an old style "low level" WC with a separate cistern and a pipe joining the two, which is what we had before. So questions:

1. Is it possible to use a close coupled WC set and fix your own pipe between the cistern and the Pan so as to separate them by a short distance hanging the cistern on the wall a little above the level of the pan?

2. All the separate "low level" cisterns I have seen advertised seem to have the old style ball valve side handle flush rather than the newer top flush button(s). Is there a reason for this?

3. Can you get a low level separate cistern which uses the new type of flush?

4. Is the new form of flush better than the old or does it depend on how much water there is or the type of pan used.

5. Any recommendations for types of pan for most efficient flushing?

ormus

the handle type give far less problems then the button types.
the more water the better, and the higher the better.

close coupled wc pans are ok for looks, but they certainly cause far more prolems than the old types.
most of it probably due to cheap poor quality parts from china.

Canucklehead

Hi.

1) No.

2) They are generally for close coupled and have a 50mm outlet. Old style flush has 1 1/2" Having said that they are made, as you can see below, usually in concealed cisterns.

3) Yes Not been asked this question so, not sure if there are any others out there that look any better.

4) An old style flush syphon will require less maintenance than a modern flush valve.

5) All the main brands are tested and perform to a standard. No name brands may not be tested but will most likely work well enough.

Is it possible to move the cisten to the other side of the wood wall and use a concealed one?

GSR.

Doozergirl

It's exactly a value option, but not the most expensive loo either - we have this loo for the same reason - to fit in a shower we had to turn the toilet from it's original position. It has a 200mm gap.
http://www.victoriaplumb.com/Bathroom-Suites/Toilets/Close-Coupled-Toilets/Ocean-Toilet-Cistern_441.html

I don't know if any of their cheaper ones have the right gap for you.

ian103

Try to find a RAK ceramics compact wc - we've used this twice now to install a toilet and wash hand basin on a very narrow wc and in a guest toilet room to create a washing machine space. The WC combined with the small hand sink is very efficient for space

Richard_Webster

Thank you everyone for your help and suggestions.

southcoastrgi

i can't believe no one has meantioned this, just go for a close coupled pan & cistern & use a flexible bent mulitquik for the outlet on the pan, simples !!

Canucklehead

keithgillyon wrote: »

i can't believe no one has meantioned this, just go for a close coupled pan & cistern & use a flexible bent mulitquik for the outlet on the pan, simples !!

I just answered the questions.

Is a mulitquik a new trend in hairstyle?


GSR.

keystone

Saucer of milk for CH please! Oh and flexi pan connectors are high up the list with Saniflos as inventions of the devil.

Cheers

Canucklehead

keystone wrote: »

Saucer of milk for CH please! Oh and flexi pan connectors are high up the list with Saniflos as inventions of the devil.

Cheers

What have I told you about the milk?

keystone

Ooops!

<runs away very, very quietly>