help wanted with house training dog!

Raksha

Crate training only works if the animal is physically matured enough to be able to 'hold on' - like trying to potty train a 6 month old human baby. If there is a physical reason for the dog not being able to hold on, then crate training will only teach the dog sometimes it has no choice but to soil its bedding, and this is VERY hard to solve.

Spudnik_2

Yeah, a great point and one that I touched upon in my post although obviously didn't elaborate upon enough. I apologise for this - I was referring to the situation of the OP, who I didn't think that perhaps crate training would be relevant to, but someone had suggested tethering the dog so I mentioned it :

Spudnik wrote:

Also, as dogs are reluctant to soil their bedding, this is even more of a reason to take your new pup out as often as possible until you're making more progress with the house training - it's unfair to confine your dog if he's going to need to relieve himself before he has chance to go out.

As you rightly said, if there is a physical reason for the dog relieving itself so often then crate training will not help - which is why I suggested, particularly given that he was 7 years old, taking the dog to the vets to get the a-okay.

Crate training can be effective in puppies as long as the dog isn't confined for longer than it can hold its bladder. As a (very) general rule, the number of hours that a puppy can hold its bladder is its age in months plus one, but really its down to the individual dog.

Apologies for any confusion caused - when I wrote the post I hadn't checked the date that the original post was made, and was referring only to their situation.

nicky1312

i got a new puppy MOLLY she is a bichon frise i got her 5 days ago, she has been really good with going to the pads for the toilet on sat she never ate a lot same on sunday and she has been whining quite alot but i thought its just from being away from her mum and the other pups i was reading a site saying i should just tell her to be quiet but im not sure cause i kept lifting her and just cuddling her in any advise please she will be 9 weeks tommorrow apart from that at night shes not doing too bad i have a cage and a little bed but i have not had her in the cage with door shut yet she does walk in and out of it i also read we should put her food dishes into the cage is this right.

Raksha

Congratulations on your new baby. First of all, I wouldn't rely on 'training' your new puppy to go on pads in the house - it's far easier to train them to go outside right from the start - using pads is only telling them it's OK to go in the house, and makes it harder to wean them off the idea. The whining is quite normal, but there's not much point in telling her to be quiet, as she probably doesn't understand what you mean. However, do be careful that by picking her up you aren't teaching her to whine when she wants picking up. Personally I think babies of all sorts grow up far more confident if they know their needs will be answered when they are babies. However, she needs to know that the world won't fall in when you leave her, so she can start to learn to 'wait' or 'stay' while you walk a pace away from her, and then you can start to build up the distance you can put between the two of you, this will help her to learn that she can cope without you. This is particularly important if you don't want her following you to the loo or suffering from seperation anxiety when you leave the house. Putting the food in the cage is a good idea, as is making sure any chews or other nice things that she has are put in the cage for her to find, this will encourage her to think of the cage as a good place to be.
HTH

suki1964

nicky1312 wrote: »

i got a new puppy MOLLY she is a bichon frise i got her 5 days ago, she has been really good with going to the pads for the toilet on sat she never ate a lot same on sunday and she has been whining quite alot but i thought its just from being away from her mum and the other pups i was reading a site saying i should just tell her to be quiet but im not sure cause i kept lifting her and just cuddling her in any advise please she will be 9 weeks tommorrow apart from that at night shes not doing too bad i have a cage and a little bed but i have not had her in the cage with door shut yet she does walk in and out of it i also read we should put her food dishes into the cage is this right.

Raksha has given great advice.:D

I would like to add, have you had her checked over by your vet? Its always inportant to have a new pet looked at by a vet in the first few days - to make sure you have been sold a healthy pet and also to talk about diet, worming, inoculations etc and really just to put your mind to rest

Enjoy her xxxx

nicky1312

thanks for all the advice RAKSHA and SUKI1964 i have had her checked at vet and all ok i have noticed a difference tonight not whining as much and going to start her tonight sleeping in the cage so here hoping peaceful night.

Fleago

Hello Nicky,

You'll find house training your little pup very much easier if you get up to her in the night and take her out to do her business. She'll be a tiny little girl at the moment, so you might have to get up a few times in the night for a while.

When you get up, just take her out of her crate, take her outside, making no fuss. When she does go, praise her and then just take her back inside with no further fuss and pop her back in her crate.

I know many people don't approve of puppies in their bedroom, but to be honest, when we've housetrained ours we have found it so much easier to have the pup being house trained with us through the night. The reason for this is that it will quickly dawn on the pup that it will get to go outside when it needs to wee or poo, so will soon let you know when it needs out through the night.

At first you might be out several times through the night, but as the pup matures and it's capacity to hold on increases, the instances will get fewer and fewer until one night in the future, pup lasts all night!

Someone made a very good comparison with a new baby on another thread; you wouldn't leave a baby all night long without attending to it, and a pup can be considered in the same way.

It might seem like a trial, and you will be very tired, but it really does help with developing the consistency that is of utmost importance in successfully house training a dog.

Good luck with little Molly and I hope you'll have many, many years of love and devotion from her.

suki1964

Thats the exact same way I think (and train) pup in crate, in room with me - easy peasy and we all get to sleep most of the night

harlina

rubbing a dogs nose in it!! Thats old rubbish and its been out side 7 years you learn em from pups not 7!! Blimey some dog owners

suki1964

harlina wrote: »

rubbing a dogs nose in it!! Thats old rubbish and its been out side 7 years you learn em from pups not 7!! Blimey some dog owners

And how ignorant is that comment?

You know nothing about the background of the dog belonging to the OP (who actually posted here a year ago), Many dogs are outside dogs and have never been house trained - until they have found a new home where they are then expected to be house dogs.

It could be that the dog in question was a working dog now retired or even a rescue breeding dog - who knows

And you can house train a dog at any age - just takes a bit more hard work