Is this a scam or real job?

zagfles

umit1978 wrote: »

Maybe you are 1 of them, why putting people in wrong path???
About Ignorring the Rubbish about emptying your account!!!!

Yes. It's rubbish. Job offer scams where they ask for account details are typically payment processor scams - they want your account details to pay money in. The "payment processor" scam. They'll have "phished" some accounts, but phishing alone is pretty useless, they can't just transfer the money to their own account as there'll be a trail, it's hard to set up accounts with fake details these days with all the money laundering rules. So they need some mug in the middle to accept the transfers, keep 10% or so as their "wages", and send the rest onto them using some untraceable method eg Western Union.

Then when the phished account holder notices his account is empty and complains to his bank, the transfers are reversed and the "payment processor" has a massive hole in their account!

There are several webpages (ebay Look a like) in The Netherlands where you can buy or advertise only by giving your full description with providing bank name, account number, full adres detail, when they take the money from your bank they will directly send the package, when the bank information is wrong or you not have money enough in your account, they will mail you a notification that they not could take the money and that the request will be deleted.

But when it did happen, you will noticed it maybe after a week, and th package whas maybe already recieved.

So people can use your bank account if they having full information!
Best regards,
Umit

My water supplier, electricity supplier and credit card companies all publish they full account details, so people can pay them. Try emptying their accounts;)

Yes it might be possible to use someone's account details to make a purchase or set up a DD just as it's possible to use someone's credit card, but that sort of problem is easily rectified, it's happened to me a couple of times with credit cards and DD's. You just tell the bank and you get a refund, the retailer takes the loss for fraudulent use.

If that was the scam they'd want credit card details not bank details, as credit limits are typically higher than the amount most people have in their current accounts and it's far easier to effect a fraudulent transaction using a credit card. And you need some mug to pay (or try to pay).

The scam I described above is far far more lucrative. And far far worse for the victim.

jonneeboy-2012

Hi Everyone !!
I have a number for the UK for anyone who has been a victim of this scam !!
0203 2395712 !!
I am currently playing with this company, they have just paid £990 into my account which i know is going to be recalled before the close of business, they have phoned me half a dozen times today asking when i`m going to make the money transfer !! Not even visiting the bank to attempt to withdraw funds cause i know it`s a Payment Processing Scam, i`ll post again and let you all know what happens !!
John

Rossmurray1874

Oh no. I should have checked this site earlier but have been caught out. The company put in 970 pound into my account and I withdrew it to send to someone else as part of what they said was a training plan. I thought I was getting a good job here.

What should I do. The only reason I looked on this site is a friend said it sounded dodgy so check it on google.


Any help or suggestions????

zagfles

Rossmurray1874 wrote: »

Oh no. I should have checked this site earlier but have been caught out. The company put in 970 pound into my account and I withdrew it to send to someone else as part of what they said was a training plan. I thought I was getting a good job here.

What should I do. The only reason I looked on this site is a friend said it sounded dodgy so check it on google.


Any help or suggestions????

Did they ask you withdraw it in cash and send it by Western Union or Moneygram? If so, sorry but you've been conned, report it to the bank and/or police asap. If you get any more payments report them to your bank who can take the appropriate action (probably returning it to where it came from).

Leon1991

Hi all. I have also been fooled by these smart asses. But luckily I found this thread. They deposited 1013 quid into my account today. I haven't took it out yet. Hoping to keep it for myself. They can't call me now coz I blocked their number. So the txt me on something called "old service"? Never heard of it lol. Anyway I'll keep u guys updated.

zagfles

Leon1991 wrote: »

Hi all. I have also been fooled by these smart asses. But luckily I found this thread. They deposited 1013 quid into my account today. I haven't took it out yet. Hoping to keep it for myself. They can't call me now coz I blocked their number. So the txt me on something called "old service"? Never heard of it lol. Anyway I'll keep u guys updated.

Really bad idea to try to keep it - remember this is likely to be stolen (phished), or dodgy money. You could get done for receiving stolen money/money laundering, and you can't claim to have been scammed yourself if you haven't sent it onto them.

If you don't want to get into trouble you should phone your bank and explain, they'll probably reverse the transfer to where it came from and hopefully inform the sending bank/account holder. Also report it to the police as well (take advice from your bank on this - they may handle it).

Leon1991

zagfles wrote: »

Really bad idea to try to keep it - remember this is likely to be stolen (phished), or dodgy money. You could get done for receiving stolen money/money laundering, and you can't claim to have been scammed yourself if you haven't sent it onto them.

If you don't want to get into trouble you should phone your bank and explain, they'll probably reverse the transfer to where it came from and hopefully inform the sending bank/account holder. Also report it to the police as well (take advice from your bank on this - they may handle it).

I have recently sent them an email where I told them either they explain to me what this means >(sent them a link to this thread) or I won't continue. Scam the scammers.

PeAk times we live in.

DataWraith

It IS a scam as I got the advert from the local job centre, the layout is exactly the same as the one you described except the company name is FRH FUNDING CONSULTATION LTD.
The wording is practically identical to yours except their offices are at 40 Wall St, New York so I did a bit of digging.
The Website is registered in Sunnyvale California and was registered on the 17th of Jan by a Jill Nadeau. with a PO Box at Wall St.
And the job description is that they send you some funds via MoneyGram which you then remove, taking out your 'commision' then send on via Western Union.
Sounds like money laundering to me, they send out fake postal orders or cheques and hope that the next person ( you ) can get it cleared and send the funds onto the next person to clean the funds abit more.

Stay well away, I will have to inform the Job Centre that they are advertising ciminal activities.

Paul_Varjak

Coopdivi wrote: »

In my opinion this is a scam.

They say they opened their American office in 1988 yet the website was only created on the 13th of January 2012. That's less than a week ago. Any company worth the amount that Wagner are claiming would have created an internet presence long ago.

The address given on the Domain Registration has been hidden behind a privacy service. Which obviously means they've got something to hide.

http://whois.domaintools.com/wagnerbusiness.com

That doesn't really surprise me though because if you look at the picture of their head office here:

http://www.wagnerbusiness.com/images/building_right.jpg

and compare it to the picture I found on Google Maps you'll notice a few subtle differences. :rotfl:


http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=83+Dan+Road,+Canton,+Massachusetts+02021&gs_upl=3499l3499l0l4867l1l1l0l0l0l0l453l453l4-1l1l0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=3FMYT8bVKoODtQaNsfXADQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=3&ved=0CA8Q_AUoAg

They say they have main offices in Canada, the US and the Isle of Man and subsidiary offices in Switzerland, Spain, Tokyo, Cyprus and France. Yet, apart from the dubious US one, no addresses are provided. And I can't find any on a Google search either.

According to one of their 'press' releases, Bridge Business Bancorp is an operating division of Wagner Business Group. Bloomberg Businessweek says otherwise. Bloomberg say it is a subsidiary of Bridge Finance Group.

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=42220308

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=12677822

I haven't checked the other 'press' releases but I would hazard a guess that they're a pack of lies as well.

Have you noticed there's no phone number either?

The cruncher for me though was when I put the photo of smiling executives on the Contact page into Google Images and got:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZisqVXktLjZkxuTx7Pve7JJx2kSiKrKpOiklEkabDCyi0Sc9XG_1xU2xRqlEsQJUA-X-ZNeifxTE4lvD6BRBN8cYURZPRUszGf5VgkZOpPjQgKy0GexuLdb3yOEBkPHEMBpExqqOqowhHsIrooT2jmqjDVB3qCvEPRDYYPqa_1QLS37s6LspMhHqikFUS2CJksfUMS7HlZPvD_1mOys14cf6rTBnd1936bpwNLUhH32Bcp39HBqhmWLMmZ7MCi7jLh5FvG80WSNAqN6hlwCgaHzrtPZK2iXnCqU2wsXiNZnebZUslu-Jztnsa0x7KoCF9gKneZrpziSe5-o-SYFarIhVwpZ81TmwlpAr8bChp-8gr63k9xxM0pJtxfGd-MupsYkVSZ5KhqT3RMBFksvhjXatDoUkowy6cHUOxCgwvS2aM9rZIZo23R2_1JrRKh_1soRK2feKhpHt7VXzKK_1kl03WpVYfkZPke9Dy1sRrpxshIobMmMjRzzuFcnOnRjJTW09thyjrfGos90w9bSY_1U9-GkUFSCVmeQd5HUkLRZ-ht29aPyIco5bKXttDMB_1bWBGXKkO02rjZ4-oKO8DaIga8okUNNjEHOt1jllUCnqjVk_1SoHqIULbuy-HJLo5oiaM2CnWpBJl6skDU9KcOz8W_1BnmdUhmdYXv1J0IhIF61xaQVI2JqCNVWEJjLsC5phq_1Wbl6cvxYQLU9ipq8hJ3pNZn7pnxVXM-dJTBQZ8JiPGN3nwEaPzfHgx3XwVvnxst6yOFTvuBB-2r2PUc26x-JsfjCmHP5oxiB37nk8Tq0G4r03XNlBrO6QKb_1PbmFjJb0uP-gR9osFt4HJeRzWHtchDC1jD9QQXOn_1wvsdfhMCRg1ZZLZIA3VwwvkEXafsK2JOmESfUpwtOoEcZ1JrQq0oxyuj7H5WA1_13gSRYft5M5eFBaLupPFpCX0DQwI5A67fLPE8G9mPHR8vR6QRt0RUcvn2R-s7jVHb2nvfIVlyRGF3Owo52B_1hawFC9cNGsss7a9aXb-TV8w8Ue4Lt2HQtCmV9Oxez91JfBUlvrM4VkWx48RffJlu3h-8zsE0_1WvvurJlu7BSpn96S1c7agx5ZVmmG5UnTBb5IhI4eZHL5wMqEl3Bh2NcK2D59ayiH3bmbAatKyhXi5FHOmssTtFAmUCmkSvdqrKRAuo26IO1X7QR7PKi9UL2PhnjIclPmWkroJcTlK8nZSiLV76vTJE0f7aTEpjrxM0rqPUIL0KRaQ463N99vhaUHC0Q1w-YDCPNthjF_1Bj4RUcoEjSf0qeQvHqzeq1cr8SmknEPBZNFMXh3cLw6C_1PBKXuk&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=640&gbv=2&site=search&sa=X&ei=0lsYT8yBGZGjsgb8x72PDQ&ved=0CD8Q9Q8

This shows Fullerton General Financial and Wacker Financial Group with exactly the same home page templates. In fact there are a couple of other sites with the picture which are now offline. I would guess that the scam had run its course with them.

Remember that picture of their head office on the Contact page. Here's where they stole it from and guess what? It's in New York.

http://www.accesscapital.com/site/contact/

Do not confuse Access Capital with these Wagner shysters. Access Capital appear to be a perfectly legitimate and trustworthy company.

Absolutely brilliant, especially the Google Identical Images search - I did not know you could even do that!! It is something I have wanted to do for a long time!!!

ffacoffipawb

planning303 wrote: »

any job advert / email that basically says:

Please take loads of money for little or not effort, with little or no skills and no real clue of what is involved with the pretend job = SCAM

Please take loads of money for little or not effort, with little or no skills and no real clue of what is involved with the pretend job = Public Sector opportunity ?