Advice on purchasing a Cross Breed

monicaj

bugslet wrote: »

Simple case of supply and demand - these types of crosses are popular so the 'breeders' charge the money they can get away with.

Thank you - I really thought it was more to do with the parents being "purebred".

Monica

monicaj

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

As said, they can charge the prices because they can get away with it. All pedigree dogs are a cross of some sort its just that ridiculous names have become fashionable instead of sensible ones; people don't want to miss out on pedigree money.

and it's not a mongrel! it's a cross breed. (some people will say they're the same thing but to me a cross breed is two know breeds, whereas a mongrel has unknown parentage)

Thank you - I also dislike the "fashionable" names, and I'm sorry if I offended you with my view that a cross breed is a "mongrel".

Kind Regards
Monica

monicaj

Jojo_the_Tightfisted wrote: »

They can charge that because there are people who say they want a CSC X Mini poodle. Like you are doing, for exactly the reasons you give.

You create the demand, they fill it at the price the market will stand.

Thank you, as per my reply to previous posters, I now understand.

Kind Regards
Monica

bugslet

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Unless it's a longdog or a lurcher, if it's not pedigree it's a mongrel in my view.

What's a longdog?

AFAIK, ( which is never that much), a cross is the result of two pedigree breeds and a mongrel is the result of a third + breed being introduced into the line.

Person_one

bugslet wrote: »

What's a longdog?

AFAIK, ( which is never that much), a cross is the result of two pedigree breeds and a mongrel is the result of a third + breed being introduced into the line.

A long dog is a cross between two different sighthounds.

Sally_A

By giving a dog a stupid name (Guess Spoodle) they charge at least 5x the going rate for a mixed breed mutt.

In order, I've had collie/spaniel; lab/spaniel (mostly lab); GSD/collie; collie/lab.

Fortunately our local dogs home does not put them down after 7 days, I'll go as a volunteer walker for about 3 weeks, work out whether the dog has a sense of humour, is non agressive (I would happily take on one with a bit of a problem, as I have no young kiddies to worry about), and on the 4th week introduce hubby to the one we are about to take - poor bloke, is totally baffled and just nods his head and signs the form with me.

I'd happily put greyhound, lurcher, whippet into that mix.

I appreciate that walking them for an hour per week over a 3 week period is not the best test for first time owners, but this is where being a smoker pays dividends, you sit down halfway through a walk, if the dog snuggles up to you for fuss, or just for comfort, you know you've found a good 'un.

When we had our last home check, I was sitting on the floor legs akimbo, both rescue dogs were cuddled up to me between my legs and having a tickle ear'ole. It seemed to tick all the boxes for the home checker.

popadom

Hi Monicaj

I have a caviler king charles. I bought her almost three years ago for £250. Ive had dogs all my childhood, so knew what i wanted and what to expect . I even worked in a rescue centre. She is my first dog. I thought when i went to get her i knew all the questions to ask ect. but when i saw her i forgot it all.

I had done lots of reserach on cavies. But i didnt ask the questions. They have lots of issuse inculding heart, brain and hip issues. Which are really expensive. So my first peice of advice would be get insurance. Shes nearly 3 and already on vitimins for her legs They are brill dogs its just sad due to imbreeding they go thourgh pain.

I also did research on cavapoos(poodle x cav mix) From memory i think poodles also have hip and brain issues. A cavapoo appealed as i liked both breeds not due to the name. In the end, i picked a cavy.

I dont want to be a downer or anything. But they are expensive. Cavies especailly. However, like all things, not all dogs have these issues. But to be sure you'd want a good breeder, not a "Hobbie" or "accident" breeder. And you'd pay way more than £450!

You may not have considered this , but what about adoptions? There are organisations for certain breeds, i know of one for cavs, but cant remember the name. Type "caviler rescue" into google. You might even find one for cavsx poodles. Theyre is one for toy dog breeds as well. I fostered another cavilver and it was the best expierence i had. Had he not found a home i would have kept him.

Just have a think of what you want and expect of the dog.

Good luck and what ever you get, please post the pics!! Puppies/dogs are cute

monicaj

krlyr wrote: »

As said, they can get that much for them so they'll advertise them for that much.
The methods in choosing a reputable breeder still apply, I would advise you take a read of this page - http://www.apbc.org.uk/articles/good_breeder

I would be asking myself (and the breeder) why they feel this combination is a good mix - what benefit does it have over a purebred CKCS or a Miniature Poodle? How do they plan to proceed with this cross, are they aiming to create a new breed? If so, how? Are the dogs they breed "F1", i.e. a King Charles bred with a mini Poodle, or are they carefully using selective breeding to aim for a dog with specific physical and behavioural traits? Are they working with any other breeders to achieve this goal?
I am sure that there are breeders out there who feel the breeds we have are not quite sufficient, and aim to create a new breed to fill a gap that other breeds do not suit, but I would be cynical about yet another Poodle cross and would want to grill the breeder to see if their intentions are genuine, or just going along with the fad to make money. If you are convinced that they're in it for the right reasons then the next step is to ensure they do all the appropriate healthtests. I know straight off the bat that the CKCS is prone to Syringomyelia, which is quite a nasty, painful condition. Hip dysplasia, patella luxation, epilepsy are just a few mentioned on CKCS websites. On the miniature Poodle side, there's Progressive Retinal Atrophy, Legg-Calve-Perthes, as well as a few that overlap the CKCS - again with the patella luxation and epilepsy. With these conditions happening in both breeds, I would want to be extra sure that the breeder has done any tests available and has a thorough, tracable history of the puppies' ancestors to minimise the chances of these occuring in their lines. Ignoring the monetary side of things, how heartbroken would your daughter be to see her dog go blind or lame, or screaming out in pain due to Syringomyelia (which generally, from what I've read, shows symptoms between 6 months to 3 years, so it's not an "elderly dog" issue)

Would you be tempted to go for one or the other breed, rather than a cross? Another option to consider would be to look out for a crossbreed in rescue - contacting both breedclubs could be worthwhile incase they are contacted regarding crossbreeds needing homes.

WOW !! Thank you so much for your comprehensive reply - it has given me loads to research further. I am aware of (some) of the health issues relating to each breed - the breeder claims to have clear healthchecks on both parents, but you have given me much further food for thought/research which is what I was really after. Their website says that each parent is Pure Bred - need to check this out with them ......... thanks

In terms of each individual breed I favour the KCCS over the poodle, but due the cross breeding and potential mix of characteristics – the cross seems/ed the perfect dog for our lifestyle.

Yep - you have reallly tugged some emotional strings, and reiterated our sentiments about obtaining a healthy dog for our daughter - the exact reason we came here looking for advice and 8 months down the line are still keeping our options open..........

My initial enquiry was about costs of non pedigree/cross breeds - but your post has given us much much more to explore .........

Thank you so much for your constructive advice.

Kind Regards
Monica

winterwhite11

i just saw one advertised for about £600..unbelievable for what used to be a mongrol...they are costing more than the full breed.
i know you want one of these but just take a look on the rspca website.
they have a amazing amount of dogs on there and about a third are full pedigrees,a third staffys and a third cross breeds where a lot look like full pedigrees.
there are pictures of every dog and a discription of temperment etc...
people are either not getting a rescue dog or the site is making it hard to adopt because i see some stunning full pedigrees/and non full on there and the site says they have been here for a long time with no interest even though they are friendly no problem dogs..poor things

monicaj

Person_one wrote: »

I don't understand.

How can you be sure this is the dog you want when there's absolutely no way of knowing what its going to be like? It could have any combination of the physical or temperament characteristics of each breed.

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I'm really sorry you don't understand .......................

Please refer to my original post. - If I didn't make it clear ....- I am not an ???? year old who wants a little pooch to stick in her designer handbag, I am a 47 year old responsible adult with a suuportive husband, 2 adult children and a seven year old daughter who works at home who can give a dog time, attention and a loving home. At this moment in time we are favouring a KCCS Crossed with a Minature Poodle - sorry if this offends you in any way.

I am looking for reassuance/guidance on making an infromed choice for us as a family - whilst I will take on any constuctive advice given, I would be interested to hear of your personal recommendations and guarantees of the perfect dog for our family - please PM me if you need any further information..............

Kind Regards
Monica