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Labour and the Euro summit

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  • StevieJ
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    Or perhaps you could explain Graham?
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Graham_Devon
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    wotsthat wrote: »
    The Conservatives couldn't have been less clear today about what it is that David Cameron has or hasn't done on our behalf. There's very little detail - why have all the other EU members managed to agree, or at least consider, further integration but the Swedes, see an advantage even though they are outside the Euro.

    The reason is that the Conservatives will do anything to avoid a referendum which would split their party and the coalition leading to a general election.

    Isn't David Cameron just trying to stay in power? Is the UK's role in Europe secondary?

    What are you trying to say here?

    There would have been no referendum. There wouldn't have been a general election. What makes you think there would have been?

    Cameron would have been in power regardless of if he fully signed up....got his safeguards...or pulled out alltogether.
  • StevieJ
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Where's the loss? By saying no.

    I don't know, maybe isolation? because it appears he has refused to sign something that doesn't affect us anyway, what is that all about other than appeasing the Tory eurosceptics.

    Oh the good news, back to the days of King Billy :)
    the Dutch have promised to look out for Britain's interests in the EU's single market,
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Graham_Devon
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    edited 9 December 2011 at 8:15PM
    StevieJ wrote: »
    Or perhaps you could explain Graham?

    Are you seriously asking me to explain this?

    - We would automatically receive sanctions for our defecits.
    - We would have to submit our own budgets to Brussels and ask them if we can proceed.
    - We'd have been paying the highest taxes out of the whole Eurozone, due to London being home of the financial services sector.
    - We'd have had to pay yet more money into a massive debt hole, which we would likely never see back, as the euro will collapse.

    Just a couple of things....not to mention that all these things have still yet to actually show the details.

    And just the very fact that this is nothing more than a dictatorship setup, with Sarkozy spitting venom at us, while trying to blame the non euro countries for all of the Euro's problems is enough to make me smile!
  • StevieJ
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    Are you seriously asking me to explain this?

    - We would automatically receive sanctions for our defecits.
    - We would have to submit our own budgets to Brussels and ask them if we can proceed.
    - We'd have been paying the highest taxes out of the whole Eurozone, due to London being home of the financial services sector.
    - We'd have had to pay yet more money into a massive debt hole, which we would likely never see back, as the euro will collapse.

    Just a couple of things....not to mention that all these things have still yet to actually show the details.

    The treaty would only relate to Eurozone members, and how has he saved our financial sector, nothing has changed?
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Graham_Devon
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    StevieJ wrote: »
    The treaty would only relate to Eurozone members, and how has he saved our financial sector, nothing has changed?

    I didn't suggest or say he has saved our financial sector.

    Ok Stevie, we all know your political labour leanings. Instead of asking questions, how about you tell us why Cameron was wrong to use the veto and keep us out?
  • Thrugelmir
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    StevieJ wrote: »
    I don't know, maybe isolation? because it appears he has refused to sign something that doesn't affect us anyway, what is that all about other than appeasing the Tory eurosceptics.

    It would have affected the UK. A levy of financial transactions was high up the agenda.

    The problem with Miliband is that his views change with the wind. Agree with the strikes yes or no? No straight answer. Same with Europe. Today even seems to have lost his Balls.
  • StevieJ
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    I didn't suggest or say he has saved our financial sector.

    Ok Stevie, we all know your political labour leanings. Instead of asking questions, how about you tell us why Cameron was wrong to use the veto and keep us out?

    Maybe we should ask the other 26 members who have signed up :)
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    It would have affected the UK. A levy of financial transactions was high up the agenda.

    The problem with Miliband is that his views change with the wind. Agree with the strikes yes or no? No straight answer. Same with Europe. Today even seems to have lost his Balls.

    It still is, nothing has changed.
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    StevieJ wrote: »
    Maybe we should ask the other 26 members who have signed up :)

    What kind of answer is that?

    26 members haven't even signed up. You are just as bad as Douglas Alexander.
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