Daughter's Car Accident - please help.

pendulum

I've only been replying to you and Zedicus in the last few posts. If you want me to stop posting, simply stop talking to me.

johnfarquhar74

tesuhoha wrote: »

Lets assume you are all right then and we are wrong. How could it have happened?

A bit late to chuck in my tuppence worth, but here goes!

Back in '94 I was driving down the M6 to Newport, Shropshire. Not far from our destination the road was really quiet, very little traffic which you would normally get in that area. Anyway, sitting at 70, or perhaps a wee bit above(was driving my mums car and she was in the back seat, no way was I hitting warp speed Mr Sulu) we came up behind a yellow mini sitting in the middle lane. I was in lane 1 and didn't want to undertake so moved from lane 1 to 3 over a few hundred yards and passed the mini, then when safe moved back to lane 2. Didn't go to lane 1 as there was a large truck trundling along ahead. I remember my mum & dad commenting about the yellow mini as it was in the middle lane when we were way behind, was there as we passed and the young girl driving seemed to be oblivious to the fact that lane 1 was empty for so long(the general consensus was she wasn't anticipating the lorry in lane 1 as she had been there for a few miles).

ANYWAY, with my mum & dad still nattering in the back I checked my rear view mirror just as the yellow car was passing the truck. Although we were 400 metres or so ahead, I clearly saw the mini, in the middle lane flinch, she swung out to lane 3, hit the armco then swung back across the motorway, drove UNDER the trailer of the truck and was spat out and up the embankment on the other side. The mini(British Leyland) was in a right state and I'd be very surprised if she survived. The reason I don't know is because we didn't stop until we were a few miles down the road. I didn't know it then but I was in total shock. The road we were on was now completely empty with loads of emergency vehicles going north on the opposite carriageway.

It's hard for me to say this without knowing what happened to the girl, but from what I saw and witnessed, I feel the young driver was in an automatic pilot mode, although it was early morning it was dry and bright, the truck didn't noticeably deviate from their lane and their was no contact prior to the mini 'going under', so don't know what caused the mini driver to suddenly swerve right then left. My thoughts are she suddenly came to attention and got a 'fright' from the truck. Off course I could be way off and only wish I'd stopped right away in case anyone needed help!

Tesuhoha, not for one minute suggesting this is what happened to your daughter but this is one of the many possibilities that could have caused the incident. Regardless, hope your daughter gets behind the wheel soon and a full recovery is made, physically, mentally and financially(insurance, although a necessity, is a crippler post accident).

tesuhoha

johnfarquhar74 wrote: »

A bit late to chuck in my tuppence worth, but here goes!

Back in '94 I was driving down the M6 to Newport, Shropshire. Not far from our destination the road was really quiet, very little traffic which you would normally get in that area. Anyway, sitting at 70, or perhaps a wee bit above(was driving my mums car and she was in the back seat, no way was I hitting warp speed Mr Sulu) we came up behind a yellow mini sitting in the middle lane. I was in lane 1 and didn't want to undertake so moved from lane 1 to 3 over a few hundred yards and passed the mini, then when safe moved back to lane 2. Didn't go to lane 1 as there was a large truck trundling along ahead. I remember my mum & dad commenting about the yellow mini as it was in the middle lane when we were way behind, was there as we passed and the young girl driving seemed to be oblivious to the fact that lane 1 was empty for so long(the general consensus was she wasn't anticipating the lorry in lane 1 as she had been there for a few miles).

ANYWAY, with my mum & dad still nattering in the back I checked my rear view mirror just as the yellow car was passing the truck. Although we were 400 metres or so ahead, I clearly saw the mini, in the middle lane flinch, she swung out to lane 3, hit the armco then swung back across the motorway, drove UNDER the trailer of the truck and was spat out and up the embankment on the other side. The mini(British Leyland) was in a right state and I'd be very surprised if she survived. The reason I don't know is because we didn't stop until we were a few miles down the road. I didn't know it then but I was in total shock. The road we were on was now completely empty with loads of emergency vehicles going north on the opposite carriageway.

It's hard for me to say this without knowing what happened to the girl, but from what I saw and witnessed, I feel the young driver was in an automatic pilot mode, although it was early morning it was dry and bright, the truck didn't noticeably deviate from their lane and their was no contact prior to the mini 'going under', so don't know what caused the mini driver to suddenly swerve right then left. My thoughts are she suddenly came to attention and got a 'fright' from the truck. Off course I could be way off and only wish I'd stopped right away in case anyone needed help!

Tesuhoha, not for one minute suggesting this is what happened to your daughter but this is one of the many possibilities that could have caused the incident. Regardless, hope your daughter gets behind the wheel soon and a full recovery is made, physically, mentally and financially(insurance, although a necessity, is a crippler post accident).

Sorry to hear about the young girl. Gives me a nasty pang but I was actually asking how could it have happened that my daughter hit the crash barrier on both sides of the car. Some people are suggesting that she probably hit the car on the left and right side of the car as well as hitting the opposite crash barrier head on. I just wondered what kind of crash would cause that. She bashed the central reservation on the right side of the car then spun and hit the crash barrier on the hard shoulder head on so hard that the car was wedged under it. She did not hit any other car when spinning and the left hand side of the car shows that there was a glancing blow there so would like to know the scenario where that would happen but so far no one has answered.

We think the policeman didn't look at her car at all and after she contacted him and told him there was a mark he went to see it in the recovery yard. Of course there is no proof of this and it is only a guess. However he has now acknowledged 90% that someone hit her but folk on here are still arguing that it is extremely unlikely that happened without coming up with a plausible explanation.

I think the policeman and people on here are judging her because she is a new driver. However, not all new drivers are inexperienced fools.

As for being hysterical, well I think anyone would be. As well as this happening my close friend's son was killed on a motorbike this year and I witnessed her grief first hand and felt a lot myself. This has really brought it all home.

tesuhoha

pendulum wrote: »

Rude? Never! But there has been an element of hysteria in some of her many posts. I also do not agree with her view of what happened which makes it hard to appear sympathetic.


My replies are concise and few and far between. Your comparison is invalid.

What's your view on what happened then? How did the car strike the crash barrier on the right hand side and also hit it on the left? She hit the central reservation once, bounced off, spun round and hit the hard shoulder crash barrier head on. She did not hit another car while spinning.

The mark on the left hand side is not from a piece of debris, it is a bash, a glancing blow.

Why is it in your view so unlikely that something hit her and caused the crash? Tell me in your concise way.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

tesuhoha wrote: »

What's your view on what happened then? How did the car strike the crash barrier on the right hand side and also hit it on the left? She hit the central reservation once, bounced off, spun round and hit the hard shoulder crash barrier head on. She did not hit another car while spinning.

The mark on the left hand side is not from a piece of debris, it is a bash, a glancing blow.

Why is it in your view so unlikely that something hit her and caused the crash? Tell me in your concise way.

with accidents described in words its always easy for someone to mis-read them or give a personal opinion because they werent there to see it happen, people base their opinion and judgement to their own driving standards.

photo's only back up what picture they have in their mind to their own opinion.

my advise to you is concentrate on helping your daughter recover, focus on the constructive and helpfull advice in this thread, and seek acutual events through CCTV, witness statements.

and forget about the carp dished in this thread.

pendulum

tesuhoha wrote: »

Why is it in your view so unlikely that something hit her and caused the crash? Tell me in your concise way.

I hope it's alright with The Turner and Zedicus if I reply to this direct question.

I'll summarise as a full reply would be pages long. I find it unlikely because undertaking at speed is rare and clipping a bumper when doing so is even rarer unless she moved back left without checking her mirror.

Add in the fact the damage looks like it's from clipping the barrier in the spin, and after considering everything else you've said, I believe it's just as likely she was texting on her phone or changing the track on her iPod! Ultimately any plausible theory is as good as another without any conclusive evidence. Unlike some others on this thread, I do not feel like discussing different theories does any harm. I think it's a good thing.

If you have relayed everything you know accurately, then I have as much information about what happened as you do because you weren't there either. I've got the benefit though as I can think without emotions interfering and you can't. Let me ask you a question now... do you acknowledge that it could have been partially or wholly your daughter's fault, or are you absolutely certain it was not (despite not being there)?

The_Turner

pendulum wrote: »

I hope it's alright with The Turner and Zedicus if I reply to this direct question.

I'll summarise as a full reply would be pages long. I find it unlikely because undertaking at speed is rare and clipping a bumper when doing so is even rarer unless she moved back left without checking her mirror.

Add in the fact the damage looks like it's from clipping the barrier in the spin, and after considering everything else you've said, I believe it's just as likely she was texting on her phone or changing the track on her iPod! Ultimately any plausible theory is as good as another without any conclusive evidence. Unlike some others on this thread, I do not feel like discussing different theories does any harm. I think it's a good thing.

If you have relayed everything you know accurately, then I have as much information about what happened as you do because you weren't there either. I've got the benefit though as I can think without emotions interfering and you can't. Let me ask you a question now... do you acknowledge that it could have been partially or wholly your daughter's fault, or are you absolutely certain it was not (despite not being there)?

You're like a dog with a flea, give it a rest. The op is no doubt bored with you by now.

pendulum

She asked me a question, fool. I answered it. If you don't want to hear any more of me then do me a favour and add me to your Ignore List.

mikey72

pendulum wrote: »

I hope it's alright with The Turner and Zedicus if I reply to this direct question.

I'll summarise as a full reply would be pages long. I find it unlikely because undertaking at speed is rare and clipping a bumper when doing so is even rarer unless she moved back left without checking her mirror.

Add in the fact the damage looks like it's from clipping the barrier in the spin, and after considering everything else you've said, I believe it's just as likely she was texting on her phone or changing the track on her iPod! Ultimately any plausible theory is as good as another without any conclusive evidence. Unlike some others on this thread, I do not feel like discussing different theories does any harm. I think it's a good thing.

If you have relayed everything you know accurately, then I have as much information about what happened as you do because you weren't there either. I've got the benefit though as I can think without emotions interfering and you can't. Let me ask you a question now... do you acknowledge that it could have been partially or wholly your daughter's fault, or are you absolutely certain it was not (despite not being there)?

I guess you can only base the theory on the standard of driving you're familiar with? The op knows her daughter, you know yourself.

pendulum

I don't move lanes without checking mirrors etc so you guess wrong.
Oh, and most parents don't know their kids as well as they think they do.