Please ensure your electrics are up to date!!!!!!!!!

matbe

tinker1001 wrote: »

It's 5 years part-time in college, not full-time, during which time you also gain a wide variety of practical experience.

Honestly, my husband is an electrician, and the stats on numbers of people killed via dodgy electrics used to be awful. I'm sure some people without the cert (like yourself) are 'competent' enough to do the work, but there must be some way of weeding out the 'incompetent' people who pose risks to other's lives. Don't you agree?

Would you like to produce these stats?

I am an electrician part p eca member etc etc and i dont believe that the number of people killed by "dodgy electrics" was ever very high but i have seen a lot of !!!!!! work done over the years.


Would be interested to know just how many deaths this has caused.

Also how many deaths a couple of years after part p was introduced would make interesting reading i think.

tinker1001

matbe, I don't know the stats sorry, just know that (from reading lots of the endless paper sent through by the eca!) that they were bad. I think about 30 deaths a year, don't know about injuries?

Agree it would be interesting to see the diff since scheme was introduced.

mttylad

Although I'm not disagreeing with the OP's comments regarding safety & the need to have RCD's fitted etc. (I agree with that 100%)

Can I ask:

Electrical safety law dictates that all modern electrical work be inspected by a registered electrician. If you don't get a certificate for the inspection, you'll be breaking the law, as well as living in a potentially unsafe home.

What "electrical safety law" is being referred to?
Also which bit "dictates that all modern electrical work be inspected by a registered electrician" ?

Cheers.

dwarvenassassin

I think this post refers to Part P of Building Regulations.

Part P never actually states what this post suggests, but it does require competancy and compliance with other building regs. The easy way to do this is compliance with BS7671:2008.
The cheap way to ensure compliance with Part P is by using a scheme registered spark.

Remember: Part P compliance is COMPULSARY and it is the owners (not the builders, not the electricians, the OWNERS) responsibility to ensure compliance. So saying "I didn't know" is not gonna be sufficient defense when the legal preceedings start. Of course, if you have used a scheme registered spark and they have issued a certificate, the responsibility shifts to them with regard to the work they have done.

Mary_Hartnell

So now we are going to need to get two tradesmen to plumb in a washing machine in a kitchen. (if the electrics and plumbing are not already in place).
The house holder is braking the law if they do it themselves.
How much is that going to cost?

Anyone know a source of the old wiring colours.

dwarvenassassin

Mary_Hartnell wrote: »

So now we are going to need to get two tradesmen to plumb in a washing machine in a kitchen. (if the electrics and plumbing are not already in place).
The house holder is braking the law if they do it themselves.
How much is that going to cost?

No one has said you cannot do your own plumbing, but then it isn't going to kill you if you get it wrong.

I don't know how many times I have to say this, a fault on the water will only get you wet, a fault with the wiring could kill you or someone else.

machine_head

Hi, newbie here so please be gentle.

3 weeks ago we had an electric power surge on our street. It blew out my house alarm, modem and plasma tv. The modem has been replaced by Virgin, foc, and the company appointed to sort out all the electric repairs (YMMS) have fixed the house alarm. The plasma tv is another matter.

The model I have is an Hitachi 42PD3000 which I have had for about 8 years. Never had a problem with it at all. It has it's own AV box to feed it and the panel is no good without it, you cannot hook up, say, a Sky box without the AV box. YMMS took the AV box away for repair and brought it back but when it was set up it wasn't working. It just keeps clicking on and off. They are coming back to take it away again, including the panel.

I got in touch with the electric company, YEDL/CE Electric, and they have told me that if the tv cannot be repaired they will come to some sort of 'arrangement' regarding a replacement. What I would like to know is what my rights are regarding this. I have surge protectors on everything so what more I could have done I don't know. They have said that the electric problem was beyond their control so are not liable to any damage cause but as a gesture of goodwill will inspect and repair but it now sounds like they are backing away from replacing my tv.

Any advice would be appreciated.

dwarvenassassin

I'd go seek legal advice. I'm not an electricity supplier so I dunno what they are liable for under the suppliers regs.

I would have thought you should have some sort of claim though.

Mary_Hartnell

dwarvenassassin wrote: »

No one has said you cannot do your own plumbing, but then it isn't going to kill you if you get it wrong.

I don't know how many times I have to say this, a fault on the water will only get you wet, a fault with the wiring could kill you or someone else.

And how many 100,000 of people a year die of smoking or over eating in comparison to those who die from the electrics being wired back to front?

molerat

The only part of the regulations that would have saved the majority of those killed by electricity in the home is the requirement for rcd protection (which only covers new or upgraded installations). Very few are killed by the "fixed wiring", the bit covered in the regs, and the majority of those are qualified electricians. Part P was brought in to satisfy an EU requirement that all electrical work is carried out to that particular states code of practice. It was then hijacked by those with a vested financial interest. In its current form it has very little to do with saving lives.