Good luck to state workers picketing today

grizzly1911

BRUNO_POWROZNIK wrote: »

Turf the paracites out their jobs before they kill the host.

Was that the bankers, accountants, lawyers, retailers, government or the public sector workers?

grizzly1911

OptionARMAGEDDON wrote: »

I agree with what Clarkson said last night. Except line them up so you use less bullets.

Bigger troll than you?

I can understand that some people may take offence, but the guy is a p...k at times, he knows that, we know that. Its his USP.

IMO Unison just look stupid falling for it.

Perhaps he was Government plant?

julieq

Oddly enough, I didn't see Unison condemning this

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2009-11-10/wall_street/30043635_1_bankers-bailout-cash-iphone

This is the warped logic of the left these days. Clarkson is a grade one idiot and his views are abhorrent, but there's just as bad happening on the other side of the street and it's completely accepted.

Kennyboy66

julieq wrote: »

Oddly enough, I didn't see Unison condemning this

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2009-11-10/wall_street/30043635_1_bankers-bailout-cash-iphone

This is the warped logic of the left these days. Clarkson is a grade one idiot and his views are abhorrent, but there's just as bad happening on the other side of the street and it's completely accepted.

Comparing someone who earns a handsome salary from the BBC, appearing on peak time BBC1 with a french software publisher who have written a game based in the USA.

This is the warped logic of the loony, union bashing right these days.

Kennyboy66

Generali wrote: »

To be fair, that excludes the cost of borrowing the money to bail out the banks. I guess you could argue that all the money came from QE so there is no borrowing cost.

Still it's an excellent point.

Dear me G.

For a man who opposed the bank bailout it is some volte face to argue now that its freebie.

The bailouts for the banks at 31st March 2011 are (per national audit office):

Cash in loans and shares purchases £124 billion.
Guarantees £332 billion.

At the peak the total cash & guarantee amount was £1162 billion.


There clearly is a cost to QE (inflation) and it is highly improbable that we won't make a loss when it is unwound.

julieq

Listen, it's completely acceptable rhetoric on the left - everywhere - to "kill banker scum" - if a comedian said that in a club they'd be likely cheered to the rafters. And there is NO difference between that and Clarkson. None. Both are abhorrent and vile.

But you don't hear the unions calling for their supporters to moderate their rhetoric and listen to the facts, they just allow it to be whipped up. It's hypocritical in the extreme.

tonycottee

Going4TheDream wrote: »

Seemingly Heathrow didn't have the delays and problems it was expecting, maybe there were less flights in perhaps but many people interviewed going through customs/immigration said it was efficient and quicker than normal.

Less staff available but improved productivity and efficiency, Surely a fact that the government wont ignore?

Am I missing something here? or does it perhaps go someway to prove the belief of many that lots of areas of the public sector are bloated and inefficient?

Do you really think controlling the borders is just to allow people in as quickly as possible? Or perhaps there might be a little bit more to it than that.

ruggedtoast

BRUNO_POWROZNIK wrote: »

Turf the paracites out their jobs before they kill the host.

Oh dear God.

Have you washed that pillow yet?

tomterm8

julieq wrote: »

Listen, it's completely acceptable rhetoric on the left - everywhere - to "kill banker scum" -.

No it isn't. Most bankers in my experience are nice people. It is possible to disagree with the system without wanting to kill bankers.

dunstonh

The average state worker is receiving a pension of just £4000 per year. This is after working for years for comparatively low pay in jobs that frequently have little advancement or other benefits.

I'm sorry but that is union !!!!!!!!e.

The £4000 average includes all those that spent two years working for the public sector. It does not reflect one person spending a life career in the public service. Quoting an average pension is just unethical and pathetic. It would be like the private sector quoting the average value of a personal pension (which is £19000 btw and would provide £570 a year on same basis as public sector) as a way of showing private sector gets less. The fact the person may have only been in the scheme 5 minutes or may have multiple schemes is ignored.

How it needs to be viewed is as follows:

A public sector worker earning £40k a year on a 6% contributory scheme doing their 40 years would get £20k a year pension income. A cost of around £200pm. A private sector worker using a personal pension on same basis would need to pay around £403 a month to get the same income and still would be taking investment risk. To get it closer to guaranteed, the contribution would need to be £818pm. Four times more than a public sector worker.