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Public Sector Strike(s)
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grizzly1911 wrote: »So its OK to pay for the armed forces then, we're allowed to keep them?
since when were they going on strike.0 -
OptionARMAGEDDON wrote: »I do. through wholesale unwarranted increases in public sector budgets, inflation busting pay rises and rediculous socialist utopia benefits that now leave a legacy of a deficit from hell. If we hadnt p1ssed so much on the public sector, we wouldnt have such a hideous deficit would we?
Not to mention every homeowner lAuding 20% rises in property per year with no understanding that one day they would have to pay for it! the banks didnt force anyone to sign for a mortgage. Idiots wanting a free ride (like the public sector do now) just didnt understand how distructive their behaviour was, that includes expecting final salary pensions on private sector levels of pay!
Well this lucid well thought out argument has changed my mind.
You are mostly wrong about most things.
Apart from your opinions on the boomers, but then you hate everyone so there you go.0 -
OptionARMAGEDDON wrote: »how does it trickle down when its getting spent on 5 star holidays around the globe?
why should money be spent to prolong life past the age of 70 for example? this is a good example where paliative care rather than cure should be offered. the lifeboat is going to sink if we dont throw the unproductive over the side.
To start with they will pay the VAT to book the holiday, Air duty Tax for that nice long haul flight.
Perhaps they might buy that nice new car and pay the VAt/Duty on that. Then they will continue to run it and go on more days out, paying more tax and duty.
Maybe they will pay to replace the windows, bathroom, kitchen or do the drive paying VAT and employing people.
Maybe they would employe a gardener, handyman, window cleaner rather than struggle on.
Quite happy to consider termination at 70 providing you have have the irremovable time release cyanide tablet inserted first;)
There is no more wealth than life - someone said, if you have your health and happiness that is worth more than anything."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
OptionARMAGEDDON wrote: »since when were they going on strike.
They aren't so they are OK?
Last time I looked the public pay for them too and provide them with a pension, and provide them with subsidize accommodation and feed them whilst on duty, and fly them home for free(??) form tours of duty.
Think we also pay for their guns and bullets too, not to mention those nice fast jets and armoured thingymajigs.
Not anti forces in any way just saying...."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
OptionARMAGEDDON wrote: »I do. through wholesale unwarranted increases in public sector budgets, inflation busting pay rises and rediculous socialist utopia benefits that now leave a legacy of a deficit from hell. If we hadnt p1ssed so much on the public sector, we wouldnt have such a hideous deficit would we?
That may the final nail but killing off manufacturing and selling off our assets started the rot. That is not the fault of the public sector that is the fault of our politicians.
Not to mention every homeowner lAuding 20% rises in property per year with no understanding that one day they would have to pay for it! the banks didnt force anyone to sign for a mortgage.pay!
No that is free market economics for you.
Decimating the public sector isn't going to save you and I anything."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Do you remember when Teachers, Lecturers, Policemen, Police staff, Ambulance staff, Nurses, Midwives, Doctors, Social Workers and Fireman crashed the stock market, wiped out Banks, took billions in bonuses and paid no tax?
No? Me neither.
Was waiting for this one. It's all over everywhere at the moment.
So where do you think a deficit comes from? Two guesses:
1) Evil banks?
2) Governments spending more money than they have on Police, Ambulance workers, Midwives, Doctors, Social workers, Fireman, Outreach workers, Bin men, petty bureaucrats, health and safety inspectors, etc etc, and their overinflated pensions.
(Hint, answer is (2))
So yes, I do remember when the public sector crashed the economy. It started in 1997. Do you remember Gordon Brown explaining "no more boom and bust" and spending like it was going out of fashion? And the note Balls left in the treasury after the election saying there was no money left? Was that the bankers?
Now the trigger for the problems was a recession caused by a loss of confidence in the banks - it could have had other causes - but we're not paying bailout money to fat cats. We're ensuring the banks have enough liquidity to operate by lending it to them. That's it. As things haven't been as bad as predicted there's still a chance we'll get out with a profit, especially if the banks do well. That hasn't been explained, and most people think we're chucking hard earned fivers at fat cat bankers in bonuses. Banks generate profits for pension funds too, including my own. In the public sector you don't have pension funds. You just take what you need from taxation (about half of what it would take to fund the pension in the private sector comes from individual and government contributions, the rest is just creamed off our taxes).
And the banks, unlike the public sector, believe in performance related pay. Do a good job, get a bonus. Do a bad job, find your bonus curtailed or removed. Try that in the teaching profession and you'd have riots.
What is sickening about this endless banker bashing is how little is being done to make the contrary arguments or explaining what the bail out actually was. It's more convenient for everyone to have a set of scapegoats waiting in the wings.0 -
PS: I have got a cold and I am more than usually grumpy. So watch out.0
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ruggedtoast wrote: »Well this lucid well thought out argument has changed my mind.
You are mostly wrong about most things.
Apart from your opinions on the boomers, but then you hate everyone so there you go.
about as well reasoned as your diatribe against the banks. you might not like it, but its the truth. the public sector exists to provide services to the country. it doesnt exist to provide employment.0 -
MacMickster wrote: »In his statement today, the chancellor apears to have declared war on the public sector
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While the government may have the stomach for it, they certainly don't have the talent or strength. Cameron isn't Thatcher. The current socialist government U turns at the first bump in the road.1. The house price crash will begin.
2. There will be a dead cat bounce.
3. The second leg down will commence.
4. I will buy your house for a song.0 -
Governments these days work on the views of the middle 20% of voters. You do actually need conviction to solve structural problems and I reckon Dave will wimp out at the first sign of a bad headline.
Must be possible to reanimate Tebbit.0
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