Public Sector Strike(s)

Phil3822

I dont understand the above quote by julieq reference "more likely the bailouts wont cost us anything." Even when the banks were bailed out by huge sums of taxpayers money many bankers at higher levels still achieved bonuses? Maybe I have got the wrong end of the stick.

Graham_Devon

I do find these argument humerous.

It seems there is such vengence towards the public sector, because they have a pension. As I've always said, the public sector is open to everyone. If it's so good, go work in it. But those having a go won't, because they know they will have to comprimise everything they get in the private sector, for a pension.

No point having a go at public sector workers. Afterall, most of us just find a job and go for it. We don't generally split jobs into private and public. When we need a job, we need a job. As I say, every single private sector worker is completely free to join in the public sector and therefore enjoy all of it's benefits. We all know the reason people don't.

As for the pay deal, I think it will be U-Turned on. It's a bizzare situation when over 3 years benefits recipients get approx 12% increases, and the public sector minions get 1%.

This has been discussed in the office today, and the execs (those who the venom should be aimed at) will simply claim more expenses. This will hit real, hard working peoplel, who at the end of the day, just wanted to earn a crust and applied for a job.

Many of these people can't even afford the pensions.

I find it absurdly hypocritical to hear people in the media complaining about public sector employees, and how much money they get, they should be cut, yet in the next breath, moaning that the services won't be available tommorow. You can't have it both ways. People are needed to run the services. People need paying to be there.

If people don't want people working in the public sector for living wages, fine. But don't expect the services to carry on running.

Graham_Devon

Phil3822 wrote: »

I dont understand the above quote by julieq reference "more likely the bailouts wont cost us anything." Even when the banks were bailed out by huge sums of taxpayers money many bankers at higher levels still achieved bonuses? Maybe I have got the wrong end of the stick.

It's fantasy la la land stuff, take no notice.

OptionARMAGEDDON

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I do find these argument humerous.

It seems there is such vengence towards the public sector, because they have a pension. As I've always said, the public sector is open to everyone. If it's so good, go work in it. But those having a go won't, because they know they will have to comprimise everything they get in the private sector, for a pension.

No point having a go at public sector workers. Afterall, most of us just find a job and go for it. We don't generally split jobs into private and public. When we need a job, we need a job. As I say, every single private sector worker is completely free to join in the public sector and therefore enjoy all of it's benefits. We all know the reason people don't.

As for the pay deal, I think it will be U-Turned on. It's a bizzare situation when over 3 years benefits recipients get approx 12% increases, and the public sector minions get 1%.

This has been discussed in the office today, and the execs (those who the venom should be aimed at) will simply claim more expenses. This will hit real, hard working peoplel, who at the end of the day, just wanted to earn a crust and applied for a job.

Many of these people can't even afford the pensions.

I find it absurdly hypocritical to hear people in the media complaining about public sector employees, and how much money they get, they should be cut, yet in the next breath, moaning that the services won't be available tommorow. You can't have it both ways. People are needed to run the services. People need paying to be there.

If people don't want people working in the public sector for living wages, fine. But don't expect the services to carry on running.

I think it more likely the tories get in next time outright and take an almighty scythe to paid benefits especially those of the socialist class.

Phil3822

Credit-Crunched wrote: »

Right public sector, whilst you are moaning about a slight change to an already very generous pension look at the news today in the brutal private sector

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-15935608

3000 job cuts from a bank, not high end bankers, the average joe trying to make a living.


So whilst you are on strike please take time to think of those in far worse positions for yourself and hopefully you will see how sicking and selfish your views really are.

Haven forbid if the public sector announced 300 job losses...

The public sector have had plenty of job losses. Cardiff companies House, the Foreign Office and others.

It is very sad about these 3000 jobs losses however it is unfair to assume there have been no public sector losses. Personally I do not wish job losses on anyone.

chewmylegoff

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It seems there is such vengence towards the public sector, because they have a pension. As I've always said, the public sector is open to everyone. If it's so good, go work in it. But those having a go won't, because they know they will have to comprimise everything they get in the private sector, for a pension.

on that basis no-one can complain about anything that they could possible claim or access.

think the 5.2% rise in benefits is stupid? sorry, you can't moan because you can quit your job and claim jobseeker's allowance.

doesn't really work, does it?

the fact is that public sector pension liabilities are an issue which need to be addressed. not everyone in the country can work for the public sector, and access these superior pension arrangements, because if they did there would be no-one to pay for any of them.

each member of the electorate is entitled to express their views about how money raised in taxes should be spent, and vote accordingly.

Credit-Crunched

Phil3822 wrote: »

The public sector have had plenty of job losses. Cardiff companies House, the Foreign Office and others.

It is very sad about these 3000 jobs losses however it is unfair to assume there have been no public sector losses. Personally I do not wish job losses on anyone.

Those job losses never took place

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10282199

Passport office, job losses threatened, union gets involved and then u turn to no job losses, and another in efficient and expensive public sector continuing without modernisation and efficiency review.

I do not wish job losses on anyone, however my point is that there are people in far worse positions not striking than those asking to work a little longer and pay little more to get a great deal.

And before you say why dont you stand up to it, things are very different in our world, you do that and you are managed out in a very short space of time, no ludicrous job protection in the private sector.

Graham_Devon

And as an aside, while I'm onto the point of trying to direct the anger at the right people, heres two ends of the scale in my sort of area of work...

Scale A) Middle managers and everyone else. Be that cleaners on minimum wage, receptionists on £7.15 an hour, IT guys on £10.68 an hour. Nurses on £13.75 an hour.

All of them do not get paid lunchbreaks. All are expected contractually to work christmas eve, day and boxing day, aswell as new years ever, for no extra pay (believe some nurses have got an uplift in some hospitals). All are expected to pay for their own lunches (not a crying shame, but keep reading and you will understand why this is said), all expected to pay the going rate for parking, be that at their hospital or council run car parks. None get paid travel unless travelling to business. Many, such as district nurses, IT guys etc are expected to provide their own transportation to undertake their work (visiting patients, travelling to sites for IT purposes) with no payment towards buying that vehicle, only a mileage allowance, and district nurses infact get less than the usual 40p per mile. IT guys doing over 10k miles a year ar losing out. Provide their own christmas parties, paid for out of their own pockets.

The big wigs.

Get their own parking space, paid for. Get lunches provided and paid the time to eat them. Send themselves to swanky meals in London to self congratulate themselves, via first class train ticket at our expense, and as it's for work, claim overtime while they are travelling. Christmas do's are provided for and paid for by us and / or private companies touting for business. Get car allowances (for the purpose of car loans). Expected to work holidays including christmas, but receive a "personal loss" payment for doing so. Can be on up to 180k a year. Are often paid double time as they carry out two jobs at once, literally at the same time as each other. However, they get paid twice, not once.

That's just a start.

The lower end, on £7-13 an hour get nothing. The higher end, the end who can afford a £300 season ticket for the car park without a care in the world, get this paid for on their behalf. They also get expenses.

The system has a massive divide. The higher end are more on a par with MPs in a way, the lower end get absolutely nothing. The higher end will be costing us massive amounts when it comes to pensions. I'd go as far as suggesting 75% of the pension issue is because of this select group of people over the years. Just look at Mervyn King. He'll be taking a pension that could be worth as much as 200 individuals, if not far more.

Oh, and there was talk of bonuses earlier? Christmas ones? Forget it.

SecondLegDownIsTheBigOne

Mallotum_X wrote: »

What utter rubbish.

No. No it isn't. It is the way things are. You will always be taxed. The only thing that will change is how the government spends it and your say in that is diddly squat.

Graham_Devon

chewmylegoff wrote: »

think the 5.2% rise in benefits is stupid? sorry, you can't moan because you can quit your job and claim jobseeker's allowance.

doesn't really work, does it?

No, it doesn't work, because you can't actually do that.

You are not free to quit your job and keep your home and everything else.

However, you are free to move, as you wish, between working in the public and private sectors. There is nothing illegal about this, unlike what you have described above.