Public Sector Strike(s)

grizzly1911

Jimmy_31 wrote: »

That was me posh talk in case mr cameron was reading it.:)

I would love him to come for one of them handshake visits to a site i was working on. His hand would end up covered in all kinds:rotfl:


Did you see him with his rigger boots on ? he was doing it wrong:rotfl:

Guess he won't be picking up the tab for the dry cleaning.

Or GO in his nice shiny hi vis outfits.

exartillery1959

MacMickster wrote: »

In his statement today, the chancellor apears to have declared war on the public sector:

• Following a 2 year pay freeze, there will be 2 years of only 1% average wage increase (while inflation is running at 5%). For many this will mean a 4 year pay freeze.

• Looking to move towards regional pay for the public sector - so not only a 4 year pay freeze, but a potential pay cut for those in the more disadvantaged areas of the UK.

• A further increase in state pension age, and hence in the pension age for the proposed new public service pensions, for which workers will have to pay more from their reduced wages.

I strongly suspect that we are heading for a new winter of discontent, with the government taking on the public sector unions. Whilst reform is undoubtedly necessary I feel that this is a dangerous time to risk a fight which would be likely to damage the whole economy for years to come.

The private sector company i work for has no pension provisions for its workers, and when the banking led crisis hit us, we were faced with job losses, rather than this we all took a cut in salary, now things have improved for us were back on full salary and given a generous payrise, how many in the public sector would do this, none because theyre all take and no give, i have worked for some very good employers in the private sector, you have to admit there is a difference in attitudes between the public and private sectors, the country is in bad shape at the present time and we all need to work more and demand less to get us through this mess, it looks like the public sector dont want to get out of recession.

thescouselander

exartillery1959 wrote: »

The private sector company i work for has no pension provisions for its workers, and when the banking led crisis hit us, we were faced with job losses, rather than this we all took a cut in salary, now things have improved for us were back on full salary and given a generous payrise, how many in the public sector would do this, none because theyre all take and no give, i have worked for some very good employers in the private sector, you have to admit there is a difference in attitudes between the public and private sectors, the country is in bad shape at the present time and we all need to work more and demand less to get us through this mess, it looks like the public sector dont want to get out of recession.

Your situation sounds completely different. At least your employer was good enough to reverse the pay cut when times got better. For the public sector the reduction in compensation is going to be permanent end of story.

The other difference is that there have been job losses in the public sector - some of them quite savage with even more to come. So its not a case of a bit of give and take trading jobs for less pay etc - its less jobs, less pay and less pension with no negotiation.

vivatifosi

exartillery1959 wrote: »

we were faced with job losses, rather than this we all took a cut in salary, now things have improved for us were back on full salary and given a generous payrise, how many in the public sector would do this, none because theyre all take and no give,

Actually that's not true. On top of a wage freeze, where I work we are having weekend working supplement and weighting removed. That's a reduction of about 7-8% for many, with no chance of getting back to the previous full salary or being given a generous payrise. So remind me again, who's all take and no give?

bigheadxx

Public sector workers pay less NI

http://www.rosaltmann.com/hutton_press_release_contract_out_2aug10.htm

Andy_L

bigheadxx wrote: »

Public sector workers pay less NI

http://www.rosaltmann.com/hutton_press_release_contract_out_2aug10.htm

and that is becasue, despite what that articles says, they don't receive S2P

thescouselander

DEATHWISH_GHUOL wrote: »

These public sector parasites wouldn't know a hard days work if it came along and punched them in the face. Which is all they deserve incidently.

Not getting on with the staff at the job centre during your regular visits down there?

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Loser.

Johnny_Barnes10

I work in the private sector, but sympathise with the strikers. Most public sector workers we can't do without. And a lot are under paid, over worked now this. If they didn't make a stand their conditions would get worse and worse. A lot of myths being spouting about their "huge" pensions. People shoud read up on the facts before being so judgemental.

julieq

People should read the offer before spouting off in the other direction too. It's excellent.

The only thing wrong with the Public sector pensions offer really is that the phase in of higher contributions is too fast and will force some of the lower paid out of the scheme because it allows no time to adjust budgets - that needs to be fixed. Beyond that it's a great deal and is properly designed by a Labour peer to sustain excellence in public service pensions into the future.

The argument always seems to be pulled down to the "why should we penalise dinner ladies and nurses". Well the Labour party didn't have any scruples about penalising lower paid workers in the private sectors by raiding private pensions, did they? It's a bit late to get precious now.

Cleaver

Jimmy_31 wrote: »

I dont even think they have noticed that the average working man is getting quite angry at them.

I think the average working man (I hate that phrase, but I know what you're getting at) is, in the main quite happy the government is doing something to ensure that public sector pensions become more affordable and sustainable. If the strikes last week showed anything it was that the majority of people don't seem to have that much sympathy with the people striking as they feel that the public sector get a pretty good deal as it is. I cannot stand all the public sector bashing I saw last week, but I think this is one issue where the 'average working man' is more on the side of the government than public sector workers who striked.