Public Sector Strike(s)

pd52

and if were getting picky, why you I have to pay tax for people moaning on this forum with kids- CTC and child benefit. Ive got no kids dont want any yet ive got to pay towards keeping your little brats for the next 20 years

grizzly1911

elantan wrote: »

but i do pay public sector workers pensions ... i cant afford a pension of my own ... but i have to pay one for the public sector workers ... that cant be right either

Technically you pay tax to HMRC. The Treasury then allocate that money. They do pay for the Public Sector but whether that was via a private contractor or kept inhouse the price would no doubt be pretty similar.

If the Government didn't provide the public sector then you would have to pay privately. Whilst you may not use all of those services, at present, you probably will do so through a lifetime.

Paying collectively through taxation probably doesn't work out that much more and you know it is there if needed like an insurance. Other things would probably cost more too, e.g. house insurance if you didn't contribute to a "police" force or a "fire service"

If the government didn't provide the public sector I doubt tax would reduce much. The bulk of the payments don't go to services but things like benefits and state pensions.

grizzly1911

pd52 wrote: »

and if were getting picky, why you I have to pay tax for people moaning on this forum with kids- CTC and child benefit. Ive got no kids dont want any yet ive got to pay towards keeping your little brats for the next 20 years

So they can take over and look after you by paying taxes to help pay for your pension;)

mr-angry

Credit-Crunched wrote: »

It is NOT a pay cut, a pension is a VOLUNTARY contribution, you can choose to opt out if you do not like the new terms, yes you will be impacted but please do not make out like this is a pay cut as it is not

Its a blatant pay cut, its part of the renumeration package they signed up to. Why should someone who has contributed into the scheme for 20 odd years opt out because those Westminster clowns have decided to change the rules on a whim?

Roll on indepenance:T

pd52

grizzly1911 wrote: »

So they can take over and look after you by paying taxes to help pay for your pension;)

ahh but they wont because by the time i retire ill probably be dead, still in a job that could of been given to one of them

mr-angry

elantan wrote: »

I would love to see the perks the public sector get ... i wouldnt even mind if i got some of the perks your talking about ... but i dont ... but i do pay public sector workers pensions ... i cant afford a pension of my own ... but i have to pay one for the public sector workers ... that cant be right either

Thats a bit like me saying I pay for your bins to get emptied, kids education yadda yadda...

elantan

but some of them do... i used to pay £200 a month into a private pension and a friend that works in the public sector put in just £60 a month ... her pension pot was better than mine ( ok she had been paying in just a couple of years more) ... i had to cancel my pension because my husband went on long term sick ( mental breakdown) his company didnt give anything other than ssp ... so whilst i cant afford to pay for a pension for myself ... some of the money i am paying into taxes/ what ever ( and i know others do too) are going towards other peoples pensions ... that isnt fair no matter how you cut it ... i cant afford it but i have to pay for others ... and yes i do use services ... but believe it or not ... i pay for them ( just like everyone else does)

ChiefGrasscutter

HelenDaveKids wrote: »

Why aren't we looking for other ways to save money, instead of taking from workers.
Why are the banks getting bonuses? Surely they should have to pay back?
Why are we not tackling benefits and fraudulent claims like promised?
Ensuring that public sector institutions are slick without damaging the service provided.
Why arent we looking at how much Mps are getting? and all the other hangers on?
Why don't we charge tourist taxes or for entry visas?
Instead of giving child benefit why dont we give every child a school dinner which creates jobs and revenue whilst ensuring the money is spent on the child.
Why do we keep borrowing money? Surely the country should be able to balance its books?

Partly because the amount raised would be trivial in the scheme of things. If you reduce the pay of MP's etc you'd hardly notice the amount saved compared to the defecit.
Contray to popular opinion the bankers on huge bonuses are actually quite a small number. To tax them at 90% you get a bit in but most would leave the UK - just like the companies are already doing so as I mentioned earlier. Most bankers don't earn huge/vast amounts.
I'd agree with you on the fraud issue though.

Why do we keep borrowing money?....because the UK population like all populations is stupid and consistently votes for parties who promise "more spending" at each election. To get elected the parties must promise this and hence we can only meet it by borrowing ever more.
As soon as someone says 'stop' the outrage bus starts up and off we go listening to them all on Radio 4 bleating on about "cuts " and how bad they are and how they are devastated................so we just keep on borrowing.

elantan

mr-angry wrote: »

Thats a bit like me saying I pay for your bins to get emptied, kids education yadda yadda...

yep you do ... but you also pay for your own bins to get emptied yadda yadda yadda ... i cant afford a pension on my money ... yet i pay for other peoples... you dont pay for my pension ... that is my point

Graham_Devon

elantan wrote: »

but some of them do... i used to pay £200 a month into a private pension and a friend that works in the public sector put in just £60 a month ... her pension pot was better than mine ( ok she had been paying in just a couple of years more) ... i had to cancel my pension because my husband went on long term sick ( mental breakdown) his company didnt give anything other than ssp ... so whilst i cant afford to pay for a pension for myself ... some of the money i am paying into taxes/ what ever ( and i know others do too) are going towards other peoples pensions ... that isnt fair no matter how you cut it ... i cant afford it but i have to pay for others ... and yes i do use services ... but believe it or not ... i pay for them ( just like everyone else does)

Your pensions would be worth jack if it hadn't have been for the taxpayers bailing the banks out and didn't continue to prop up the entire country and banking system. Public sector employees pay tax too.

Think carefully before typing.

We are all paying for each other to use different services and get different outcomes from the tax system. Doesn't matter if you are a private or public sector worker. While one person may use childcare credits, another one doesn't. Do you say it's not fair that someone gets childcare credits, while you don't?