The broken WCA test - a Government Solution
Richie-from-the-Boro
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7:30AM GMT 28 Nov 2011
- the backlog in appeals
- the fact that the savings made forcing people off benefit into jobs that do not exist via ATOS are squandered in the cost of appeals
- the upcoming predicted rise in the volume of appeals as a result of a flawed ATOS / LiMA assessment
And what is the Governments 'fix' ?, are they going to make adjustments to the descriptors and LiMA programme ? - No they are going to hire more Judges to speed up the appeals, which begs the question :
.Q. If the current savings made by taking benefits away from the disabled are swallowed by the current cost of appeals, how does recruiting an extra 84 Judges at a pro-rata salary of £101,000 per year make economic .. .. let alone social justice sense .. .. madness :eek:
- the backlog in appeals
- the fact that the savings made forcing people off benefit into jobs that do not exist via ATOS are squandered in the cost of appeals
- the upcoming predicted rise in the volume of appeals as a result of a flawed ATOS / LiMA assessment
And what is the Governments 'fix' ?, are they going to make adjustments to the descriptors and LiMA programme ? - No they are going to hire more Judges to speed up the appeals, which begs the question :
.Q. If the current savings made by taking benefits away from the disabled are swallowed by the current cost of appeals, how does recruiting an extra 84 Judges at a pro-rata salary of £101,000 per year make economic .. .. let alone social justice sense .. .. madness :eek:
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- if they got the soddin' ESA decision right in the first place there would be no need for the whole exercise in cutting back appeal rights
- but that would show the truth of the real political intention which is of course to arbitrarily reduce the ESA numbers
- mind you 87 new posts at £100k pa is a nice boost to the ex Oxford & Cambridge [STRIKE]school chums[/STRIKE] friends of the top echelon of Government
Current appeals are hitting close to a year in some cases.
This does nobody any good.
Claimants have problems remembering what their condition was at the time of the original decision, and tribunals have a hopeless task working it out.
More rapid feedback might let more decisionmakers make better decisions in addition.
Article 3: "degrading treatment"
Article 7 - retrospectivity ; ESA and changing the rules retrospectively that included taking benefit from claimants "retrospectivly" if when you win your appeal, but have been on it for 9 months?
Article 8 - privacy? Using a credit reference agency to see what you have credit.
Article 14 - discrimination; are all the changes and re-catigorising the disabled discriminorty?
Now, I am sure there is grounds somewhere with the unessesary "mental anguish that flthe waiting times are causing.
The appeal re-determines the original decision, re-making it as if it had been made at the original time.
It does not (usually) redetermine the later period.
How is this reterospective?
It's an appeal against a decision.
Yes, the process is delayed, but this doesn't make it not an appeal.