Not the father

Marisco

kevin137 wrote: »

Ok, so i pay at the rates mentioned, and the PWC claims benefit, and it is proved i am not the father, how much does she repay, and does the CSA chase this for me...? I am guessing it would be a £5 a week...!!! Is this right..?

If it is proved down the line, that the NRP is not the dad, then yes, the CSA should pursue the PWC with the same vigour as they would an NRP! And she should pay at the same rate as an NRP i.e 15% of income! But to say the CSA is to blame is ridiculous!

I've got 2 kids (adults now!) but if me and my ex would have split when they were small, and I put in a claim for CM for 2 kids, knowing that one was not ex's, how would the CSA be at fault? If ex didn't know either, then he would pay 20% of his income. Whose fault would that be? Mine!! Because I was a lying devious biatch!!! So it would be up to the CSA to pursue me for the money, if for no other reason than they were deceived as well!! But it wouldn't be their fault that they believed what I said, especially if there was no denial off my ex either!! Both the ex and CSA would have been taken in by my lies!!! So the fault is purely mine!! Can you not see that??

Morlock

I agree, it is fraudulent and should be subject to the same penalties as criminal fraud.

pd001

Morlock wrote: »

Whomever the mother decides to name as the father is pursued by the CSA. The man needs to prove that he is not the father by paying nearly £500 for a court-approved DNA test (which is refunded if the test is negative). However, I am sure a lot of 'fathers' would struggle to raise that amount of cash, which they may not get back.

All of the above is true

pd001

Marisco wrote: »

I can see what you're saying ceridwen, but if a man is that adamant he doesn't want kids, surely it's up to him to take precautions as well, and not rely on what the woman says? But I do agree with Prelude, it's not the CSA's fault if the mother has told them the father is Joe Bloggs and he has no reason to think otherwise!! If it comes "out" years down the line, then the mother should be persued with the same vigour that NRP's are!
Very true.

The only other alternative to make sure no "mistakes" happen, is to DNA test everyone who opens a case with the CSA!
I would assume that this course of action would be very expensive and very time consuming.
Never going to happen

clearingout

oh yes, let's throw compulsory DNA testing into the stress that is separation and divorce....NRP's complain now that the CSA is used as a threat and to get at them, so I guess with compulsory DNA testing, the NRP's have the opportunity to get their own back, don't they?!

Hurrah! It's a world of CSA equal opportunity!:D:D:D:D

Mupette

Jeremy Kyle the test is done and free

PreludeForTimeFeelers

Morlock wrote: »

Whomever the mother decides to name as the father is pursued by the CSA. The man needs to prove that he is not the father by paying nearly £500 for a court-approved DNA test (which is refunded if the test is negative). However, I am sure a lot of 'fathers' would struggle to raise that amount of cash, which they may not get back.

If he denies that he is the father at the outset then the CSA will give him the option of either paying for a DNA test in advance (at a reduced rate), or paying the full rate of £200-odd after the test. He wouldn't have to raise £500.

PreludeForTimeFeelers

ceridwen wrote: »

The guy would have the problem of losing the £500 if the test came up "positive" though - though, of course, theres always the possibility I suppose that the woman would decide "Not worth pursuing the poor mug I caught like this if he is going to start fighting me about it at the outset" and might give up trying to make him pay for her solo decision. Or would the CSA pursue the man anyway if the test was "positive" - even if she told them not to?

She could close the case at any time, so if she changes her mind after the test then there'd be nothing to stop her coming to a private agreement, or to just close the CSA case.

Marisco

clearingout wrote: »

oh yes, let's throw compulsory DNA testing into the stress that is separation and divorce....NRP's complain now that the CSA is used as a threat and to get at them, so I guess with compulsory DNA testing, the NRP's have the opportunity to get their own back, don't they?!

Hurrah! It's a world of CSA equal opportunity!:D:D:D:D

The only ones who should fear that would be lying PWC's! But like pd001 says, it would probably be prohibitively expensive. I wouldn't have thought there would be many cases like the op anyway, so it wouldn't be worth the expense of DNA ing everyone.

kevin137

Marisco wrote: »

The only ones who should fear that would be lying PWC's! But like pd001 says, it would probably be prohibitively expensive. I wouldn't have thought there would be many cases like the op anyway, so it wouldn't be worth the expense of DNA ing everyone.

Yet they can impose fees for collection, why not impose for DNA testing as well, then there can never be a mistake...