Public Sector Pension Strikes – A JOKE !

sharnad

J_i_m wrote: »

Well put simply if the public services were to change to private all tax payers would most probably be financially worse off. I envisage we'd be paying for hospitals, policing, teaching etc like we do with insurance policies. And due to the importance of many of them it'd probably be a legal requirement to have them just like car insurance.

There might be competition yet invariably costs and prices would go up every year like everything else does.

Still if that were the case, and public sector pensions didn't exist, I guess there'd be slightly less bickering over this particular disparity issue.

the ones that were already held would still excist and a lot of the staff would probably stay on just on worse pay and conditions for the low level staff like what happened when they outsourced the IT
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sharnad

ILW wrote: »

Odd how they can get someone in cheaper than using their own people. What does that tell you?

That the public sector waste money hiring outside private contractors when they should be investing in their own staff

BobQ

gfplux wrote: »

The sooner the private sector is allowed to run Government services the better.
I was for many years completely apposed to this but have been convinced over the last decade or so that public services of all kind can not deliver the services we can afford.
Public ownership of these services has proven a failure, give the private sector a chance. They can't be worse than what we have got at the moment.

Militant Government workers striking on Wednesday should remember what happened to the car workers who used to hold this country to ransom in the past.
Today's car worker cares about their product, works in an efficient organisation producing what the public want.

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If you mean the complete privatisation of a publicly owned function then I think it only works when it can be done in a way that delivers competition. Energy, Water, Rail are strategically important services which have been privatised and now operate as privately owned monopolies that fleece the public through having no
competition or competition only bewteen poorly regulated cartels.

The idea that they serve the public better is hilarious. Most British people cannot afford to travel by rail on a regular basis and when they do they experience cramped conditions. The drive for profit has compromised safety standards. In contrast the state owned European railways are affordable and efficient.

If you want to advocate privatisation from your Luxemburg bolt hole for dogmatic political reasons fine, but do not try to kid us that it delivers a better service out of some kind of altruism. Unless the privatisation is done with a viable competitive model it will simply provide more avenues to rip off the public.

I am not in favour of Governments running services that can be sold off into a competitive market as with Norther Rock butthere must be some prospet of real competition.

The Car workers in the past were clearly wrong as we see from the vibrant private sector British Car industry which now serves as a fantastic example to the Germans and Japanese.

sharnad

The_Angry_Jock wrote: »

The Government isn't an 85 year old granny who's being charged £25,000 to change a couple of roof slates.

No when private companies get paid it can run into billions

BobQ

howee wrote: »

Look how the ex public services with protected highly inflated wages such as in the rail, post and underground no wonder its so expensive to use but also upgrade. If the private sector run these opperations without the militant workers and their union chums we would all be far better off.

These employers have had plenty of opportunities to deal with such restrictive practices in their industries. A failure to do so reflects their own inefficient management rather than union power.

ILW

sharnad wrote: »

No when private companies get paid it can run into billions

And who OKs these payments?
Civil servants.

sheffield_lad

BobQ wrote: »

These employers have had plenty of opportunities to deal with such restrictive practices in their industries. A failure to do so reflects their own inefficient management rather than union power.

Give over Bob bar the leffties in the PS lets look at who else threaten strike

BA
Royal mail
BG
BT
rail (your namesake)
underground

Ring any bells or is it just me lol

ILW

When was the last major private sector strike?
I would exclude BA from this as most of the employees still thing they work for the public sector.

sheffield_lad

ILW wrote: »

When was the last major private sector strike?
I would exclude BA from this as most of the employees still thing they work for the public sector.

tough one, in 'real world' they don't happen very often. As thank goodness we don't have many unions or members.

CLAPTON

private sector is proven to be much more efficient and better managed that the public sector

Rolls Royce (for older posters)
Nuclear Power (too cheap to bill)
British car industry in general
Concord
Gang of four at Rover
Privitised railways
Northern Rock
RBS
Lloyds
BHOS
Marconi
Thomas cook

and a few more