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Public Sector Pension Strikes – A JOKE !
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Who is going to bail out the private pensions?
The simple answer is no one. The people with poor private pensions will have to make do with what they have coupled with the state pension if it is still around when they retire.
The basic fact is that public sector pensions are part of the hole in the countries finances so despite the promises that were made there needs to be changes. Because if there is no change in the country's finances (and by this I mean not just pensions) then we will all suffer even more down the road when the country goes broke.
The point I was making is that by all pension private and public being ground down there will come a point when reliance on the state, by many more people, will become the norm.
Whether that be benefit or a bowl of soup and roll who knows.
These issues are symptoms, the cause is not being tackled."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Problem is that you are not getting paid a darned site less when you compare employment packages with those in the private sector.
Had you still been earning pre 1997 levels vs private sector I would have sympathy. However, the public sector pay rises were higher than private sector post 1997. The public sector pensions used to make up for the low level of pay and a working life in the public sector. However, that is no longer the case so some adjustment is needed.
I don't have access to nhs figures since '97 (can't find them) but I'll post a comparison of starting pay from 2004 against 2011. Do you have any figures for the private sector over the same period?
2004-5 2011-12
Band1 10762 13903
Band 2 11508 13903
Band 3 13226 15860
Band 4 15504 18402
Band 5 18114 21176 (Staff Nurse grade)
Band 6 21630 25528 (Charge/Sister nurse grade)
Band 7 26106 30460 (Senior Sister/Charge NurseGrade)
Band 8 33298 38851 (Matron)
My (very rough) mental arithemetic works that out at around 17% rise over 7 years on the upper grades. The government published some figures a couple of weeks back illustrating the effect of proposed changes on our pensions which appeared to be based on pay rises of 2% above inflation. If the above pay rises are too high, then I'd suggest the government illustrations are nonsense.0 -
:(You know as an ex private sector chap, if the private sector supporters in this and other threads could give me 1 good reason to support them in this issue, or even to agree with them, I would change sides.
No shirt change on the horizon this decade.:(
Originally Posted by dunstonh
Problem is that you are not getting paid a darned site less when you compare employment packages with those in the private sector.
Had you still been earning pre 1997 levels vs private sector I would have sympathy. However, the public sector pay rises were higher than private sector post 1997. The public sector pensions used to make up for the low level of pay and a working life in the public sector. However, that is no longer the case so some adjustment is needed.
So get your heads out of the sand, once you've realised that's where you are atI like the thanks button, but ,please, an I agree button.
Will the grammar and spelling police respect I do make grammatical errors, and have carp spelling, no need to remind me.;)
Always expect the unexpected:eek:and then you won't be dissapointed0 -
Err "bullied by the Unions" - who's being bullied ?I tell you what if he's going in to do a public service then I am already proud of him now.
Not everyone has to be builled by the unions. Better to have your head out of the sand than to have it burried shouting foul words like scab.
Well done J I M :T
As my post states "if the Union has legitimately etc"
May I suggest you read the post again ?0 -
J I M hasn't told us which union he is in yet. If he's in Unison his colleagues who give up a days pay to fight for his pension will see him as a scab. If he's in the RCN which hasn't voted then he would be expected to work his shift if his employer has him rostered to do so. If he is in the RCN and does overtime to cover the shift of a striking Unison member then members of both unions may see him as a scab.0
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Err "bullied by the Unions" - who's being bullied ?
As my post states "if the Union has legitimately etc"
May I suggest you read the post again ?
yes less than 50% of public sector staff have voted to strike, if they want to strike and not lose a days pay good on them and if union members or other staff have a go at them for working then shame on them. Everyone has a right to do what they want not what a union rep tells them they should do.
Again well done J I M your doing what millions of PC workers not bullied by their unions will be doing.0 -
J I M hasn't told us which union he is in yet. If he's in Unison his colleagues who give up a days pay to fight for his pension will see him as a scab. If he's in the RCN which hasn't voted then he would be expected to work his shift if his employer has him rostered to do so. If he is in the RCN and does overtime to cover the shift of a striking Unison member then members of both unions may see him as a scab.
and that's good is it, I have NEVER been in a union and on this mentality I can see why. Workers who do this are bullies with pack mentality no wonder they died off in the private sector.0 -
yes less than 50% of public sector staff have voted to strike, if they want to strike and not lose a days pay good on them and if union members or other staff have a go at them for working then shame on them. Everyone has a right to do what they want not what a union rep tells them they should do.
Again well done J I M your doing what millions of PC workers not bullied by their unions will be doing.
Mmmm it appears you have a very narrow understanding re the relatively new Employment Laws relating to how Unions conduct strike ballots etc but perhaps that is an age thing which can easily be excused ?0 -
and that's good is it, I have NEVER been in a union and on this mentality I can see why. Workers who do this are bullies with pack mentality no wonder they died off in the private sector.
Think I've got it now......you used to be a mine owner or perhaps a mill owner in the 19th century didnt you and still believe workers ought to doff their caps when you're on the shop floor
Shame on you - back into your box now, time for the medication0 -
Mmmm it appears you have a very narrow understanding re the relatively new Employment Laws relating to how Unions conduct strike ballots etc but perhaps that is an age thing which can easily be excused ?
Yes your right very narrow, what I do know is if I worked in a job and my colleagues decided to strike and I didn't agree with it I would not strike.
Does this new legislation commit all workers to do what the ballot union says then lol. No need for the scab term then.
Maybe a ballot to see if any who voted for action were in favor of taking their heads out of the sand would be appropriate?
I so wish I was young or daft enough to listen to unions and take in the carp they throw out.
Alas I live in the real world.0
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