MSE News: Jobs market 'set to get worse'

tagq2

LadyMissA wrote: »

Payroll lost their jobs (one had been there TEN YEARS!) as they were too stupid to ask if the accounts package they bought in did payroll till it was too late to go back.

I used to develop for a company which made payroll and time&billing software. The salesmen were far too smooth and adept at selling features which we didn't even know existed - we were quick to implement them, though! :rotfl:

A union is not better for my future at all as I have only ever worked in the private sector and they do not go on strike

According to the ONS, there were 56 public sector strikes amounting to 76,000 hours of withdrawn labour in the public sector in the year to March 2011... and 40 private sector strikes amounting to 68,000 hours. Now public sector employment in Q2 2011 was around 6 million and in the private sector around 23 million. So while there are clearly more strikes per capita in the public sector, the notion that striking is a reserve of the public sector is a myth.

as you have to fight for your job, pay rise and anything else you want on your own or get yourself another job.

In many industries, yes: there's little unionisation because everyone says, "Oh, there's no point me joining as no-one else is, so unions are powerless." The flaw in this argument is hopefully obvious. Why not follow the example of the best-treated employees?

(It's certainly a better option than creating an air of resentment and wanting to drag everyone else down to the lowest level - a popular divide-and-conquer tactic promoted by all the usual suspects.)

I will be dead in 50 years so not bothered really (maybe even in 5, who knows)

Fair enough. It seems you don't like collective bargaining and/or long term planning. Many of your fellow workers are on your side, though it may not be obvious today. I hope your employment prospects improve.

dark_lady wrote: »

buoyed up by working tax credits.

The WTC replacement in Universal Credit seems to deny top-ups to anyone with capital >£16k. Another fine way to reduce mobility.

dickydonkin

However, by the same token it disincentivises a company to take on any particular employee - they had better be really sure that the person is a good fit for the job, because it will be very difficult to get rid of them later if this turns out not to be the case.

Currently, an employer has 12 months to decide if an employee is suitable or otherwise - if he is still unsure during the first 12 months of employment, then some may question the organisations method of recruitment and appraisal schemes.

This 'government' are blaming health & safety, employment legislation, the currrent situation in the EU, the previous governments legacy and a myriad of other reasons for the current rise in unemployment in this country and the unwillingless of employers to recruit.

Some may suggest they should look in their own back yard to see how we got into this mess.

LadyMissA

tagq2 wrote: »

Fair enough. It seems you don't like collective bargaining and/or long term planning. Many of your fellow workers are on your side, though it may not be obvious today. I hope your employment prospects improve.

you can not have collective anything when people doing the same job are on different salaries

Emmzi

LadyMissA wrote: »

you can not have collective anything when people doing the same job are on different salaries

*sigh*

Do you research ANYTHING you post about?

ceridwen

LadyMissA wrote: »

Most or some? A lot of the people outside St Pauls have jobs & do not even stay in the tents at night

Actually - I suspect one of the reasons those outside St Pauls don't stay in their tents at night might be down to the "noise harassment" continuing at night. There are helicopters constantly up in the air above them throughout the day (Police ones I believe). I dont know if these helicopters are up there at night as well. If they are - then it would be literally impossible to sleep through the Barrage of Noise. It may be that some of these helicopters he mentioned were down to it being a day of protest for students that day as well - but i got the impression he was saying the helicopter noise is always there.

Rob Hopkins (of Transition Town Movement fame) was recently up there giving a talk to them and he commented on about this constant loud noise from the helicopters and that people are having to literally shout to each other to be heard above the noise from these helicopters.

http://transitionculture.org/2011/11.10/some-reflections-on-a-day-at-occupy-lsx-at-st-pauls-cathedral/

ceridwen

LadyMissA wrote: »

if you have kids then you can restrict the hours you work but I have none so they made me change 9am to 6pm to 24 hours a day!!!! :O

Not very sensible of them methinks - considering there are scientific studies available proving that night shift work is damaging to health. Summat along the lines of x% of people can be expected to have y health problem all else being equal, but there is a higher percentage that get it from those who've done night shift work.

Guess the Government is relying on the fact that anyone who had health problems subsequent to having to spend some time doing night shift work would have difficulty proving whether they were the x% that was going to get that particular health problem anyway or the "extras" that would have stayed healthy if it hadnt been for the night working.??...

Things have changed more than I realised since I was unemployed then (ie many years back now). I recall thinking "What hours am I ACTUALLY prepared to work? Thats my normal ones then..." and thinking "Better - state some leeway - so they cant say I'm not trying" and put down that I was prepared to work straight through from 8am-6pm (which would give a longer work week than I am used to actually...) and there was no problem about that.

I realised people have to put that they are prepared to travel a good bit further for work than they actually are - but didnt know one had to put down "available 24 hours a day" these days...

nobodyspecial

ceridwen, did you actually read your link? Even he says he chose a bad day as it was also the day of the student protest, which resulted in a great deal of trouble last year, so the police presence was huge. No the helicopters are not there at night, nor during the day on normal days.
Other people actually live in that area, they also like to sleep at night

To address your other post about nightshift working, since you are only prepared to work between the hours of 8am to 6pm, do you acknowledge this should be true for everyone? You don't want to be able to catch a bus or train outside these hours? To be able to call the police for assistance? To be treated by a medical person? To actually go to a cinema, pub or other entertainment centre, including libraries? To watch TV or have a newspaper available the next morning? And I assume weekends are a total no go, so lets shut the shops too. I'm suspecting not :cool:

Given your statement of how badly nightshift workers have their health impinged, then nobody else should object if their pay is substantially increased over the daytime workers. Maybe sliding tier NMW with increasingly greater payment for those who work outside the core hours. Some to compensate for the unsocial hours, and then a bit more to compensate for the health implications.

None of which is to say I think the current methods being used with the unemployed are necessarily correct, just wanted to point out that there is a lack of consistency in some viewpoints.

magenta22

DCFC79 wrote: »

I do feel for those on JSA and the wp, hopefully i can keep my job past christmas as i dont particulary want to revisit the JC again but it cant be helped if i dont get kept on after xmas.

Mine is going just before because 'the workload isn't what they anticipated' (perhaps I should have not asked for things to do - catch 22 - be bored and not let on nothing to do or ask for things to do in the hope of not being bored).

I just hope there will be temp roles as I don't want to resort to signing on, they talk to you like you are something they scraped off the bottom of their shoe - how does that help? and to say you are available 24 hours day - I wonder if they would be 'willing' to do that themselves.

Some companies 'make you laugh' when they have recruitment freezes and then a few days later announce huge profits.

The government needs to take a good look and get the job market back on track rather than cut this, cut that. They also need to stop companies from off-shoring roles quite so much.

rhcp

I read that Germany's unemployment figures are now at their lowest level for 11 years. What are they doing that we are not.

nobodyspecial

rhcp wrote: »

I read that Germany's unemployment figures are now at their lowest level for 11 years. What are they doing that we are not.

Yes I heard that on a program, and wondered exactly the same as you. It does seem they are bucking the trend, I'd have expected much more prominence to be given to it than appears to be.