MSE News: Jobs market 'set to get worse'

wantsajob

Broadwood wrote: »

The current system is total madness.

Stop all the Europeans coming over and diluting the work force too. They only send the money back home too where our minimum wage is worth substantially more. That means the money does not get spent in the UK, and spending in the UK is crucial for job creation. Send the ones that are here back to their country so that British people get British jobs, and spend the money in Britain. Let those countries worry about their own job creation.

LadyMissA

Broadwood wrote: »

No more paying people to sit at home watching tv worrying about the bills

I don't sit here watching tv but DO worry about bills & my life

dtsazza

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

The government have brought all the civil unrest on themselves

I'm curious as to what positive actions you would have them do in order to reduce the unemployment level.

If a business doesn't want to hire someone then it's not the government's prerogative to take direct action to make them change their mind. They can offer encouragements but fundamentally you can't play King Canute and reject the realities of the economic situation by legislating it away.

It appears to me that businesses are worried about a potentially unstable economic future, caused by both the sovereign debt crisis, and the reduction in individuals spending.

The former is being addressed by Osbourne quite well in that the UK is considered to have creditworthy bonds, and he's held firm on his plans which means businesses can be more confident about the fiscal situation in the coming years.

And the latter is just a consequence of us spending say 120% of our incomes over the last few years and becoming more and more indebted. It's inevitable that eventually we'll have to spend 80% of our incomes in order to return to balance, and unavoidable that there will be an economic contraction in this case as the phantom boost falls out. I don't see any way whatsoever to "cheat" and get around this fundamental equilibrium - we just need to recognise it and get through it.


What would you have the government do so as to not "bring this on themselves"?

tagq2

We now have people in work needing to increase the amount of time they are at work or on call for work.

The government's solution is to deal with the remainder by creating a separate under-class of workers paid a quarter of minimum wage: the principle of the workhouse but with travel costs.

But there's really no need for anyone to have to work even a 40 hour week. For the past 150 years up to the '80s, thanks to the rise of technology and unions, working hours went down. We're now in the position of having enough brains, enough hands and enough technology to require no more than 3 days a week from each able man and woman. Yet we refuse to free people from the yoke of the workplace, giving them half their week to dedicate to education, volunteering and community.

The ideology of neither relevant Party cares for education, volunteering or community, unfortunately.

looby75

I got the dreaded letter today to start the work program on Friday.

I wonder how they are going to help me find work when there isn't any to find and it's only going to get worse

DCFC79

I do feel for those on JSA and the wp, hopefully i can keep my job past christmas as i dont particulary want to revisit the JC again but it cant be helped if i dont get kept on after xmas.

wantsajob

looby75 wrote: »

I got the dreaded letter today to start the work program on Friday.

I wonder how they are going to help me find work when there isn't any to find and it's only going to get worse

Sorry to say this, but everything I have seen indicates companies see it as free labour. I wouldn't make any special effort, even if they try say there's a guaranteed job if you work hard - as chances are it's just a ruise to get you to work hard until your day is up and they get the next one in.

LadyMissA

wantsajob wrote: »

Sorry to say this, but everything I have seen indicates companies see it as free labour. I wouldn't make any special effort, even if they try say there's a guaranteed job if you work hard - as chances are it's just a ruise to get you to work hard until your day is up and they get the next one in.

Not everyone gets sent out on work placements

LadyMissA

looby75 wrote: »

I got the dreaded letter today to start the work program on Friday.

I wonder how they are going to help me find work when there isn't any to find and it's only going to get worse

Who is the provider?

tagq2

wantsajob wrote: »

Sorry to say this, but everything I have seen indicates companies see it as free labour.

It is nothing more than a way of avoiding minimum wage laws and other labour protections. If you're being paid £x/week and you are required to do y hours of labour a week for that pay then you are being paid a wage for labour at a rate of £x/y/hour, no matter what spin they put on it. And by HMRC rules you might just be an agency worker where the agency is the DWP. To call it JSA is dishonest when you're being paid for working a J (but then "ESA", "fit note", etc. mean the opposite of what they are, so it's only continuing a hilariously Orwellian trend).

If the n million people out of work joined one of the general unions then there would suddenly be a lot of pressure on Labour to eliminate the programme. To bait the forum with some Marxism, much of the once spoilt labour aristocracy have degenerated into lumpenproletariat, all through lack of class consciousness.