Would you invest in nuclear fusion?

pete22

The history of physics is rife with overunity scams. One method by which fraudsters achieve their income, is to promise or hint at a technique on the verge of discovery. They will entice would be investors with the promise of great profits. Of course the technology never matures, and often the investors money is never recovered.

So skeptical as I might be, this does not prevent me from having a look . But caution is advised! And don't part with a penny until the technology is proven. I.e no mains cable attached...

Ben84

whasup wrote: »

We can only go by what we see reported. I have no idea if it's the US Navy or even if there is any purchaser at all. But that's not the point. The point is, if things continue as they are, there will be purchasers and some of them will be well qualified to assess the device. If it's not what it says on the tin they aren't going to just stick it in the back of the garage forget it. So if it is a scam how does it work? (the scam I mean) I can't see an answer at the moment.

One possible way to fake something like this is to have an exothermic reaction taking place inside it. Some common laboratory chemicals quickly reach boiling point when mixed together, a few such as t-butyl-lithium spontaneously ignite when exposed to air. A battery or some form of electrical energy store/capacitor inside could also provide greater heat output than energy input for some time during use. Stored kinetic energy could even be the source. There were a few buses powered by giant flywheels many years ago in use, which were connected to electricity at bus stops to boost the flywheel. They could drive some miles between electricity.

zeupater

whasup wrote: »

We can only go by what we see reported. I have no idea if it's the US Navy or even if there is any purchaser at all. But that's not the point. The point is, if things continue as they are, there will be purchasers and some of them will be well qualified to assess the device. If it's not what it says on the tin they aren't going to just stick it in the back of the garage forget it. So if it is a scam how does it work? (the scam I mean) I can't see an answer at the moment.

Hi

Okay, in simple terms, if it is a scam it would be to pull investor money into the coffers .... how, well just look at the sites which have been referenced .... effectively they're offering the ability to place an order and join a waiting list with no need to place a deposit. What does this do ? ... well it builds an auditible order book worth £millions, which you then 'sell' to investors on the grounds that the order book can only be satisfied through substantial investment in plant & machinery with the offer of massive returns due to this being the 'greatest invention ever' ... the money rolls in and ..... well fill in the rest of the story as you like due to there being multiple possibilities .... but read carefully the 'get-out' clauses which protect the operators ....

Disclaimer .... http://ecat.com/ecat-business , note the context of 'future strategic'.

Terms & Conditions .... http://ecat.com/terms-conditions , in particular take note of the accuracy, product and disclaimer sections ....

HTH
Z

ashleypride

whasup wrote: »

Do you have any theories as to how the scam works? I'm struggling at the moment to see how Rossi could possibly get away with it. If the device doesn't work then the first purchaser - which appears to be the US Navy - is probably going to notice. What then?

There's always the possibility they aren't scammers as such, just deceiving and deluding themselves.

wuthton

ashleypride wrote: »

There's always the possibility they aren't scammers as such, just deceiving and deluding themselves.

There's also the possibility that they may be truly developing a new energy source, unlikely I admit. As the Opera Collaboration has ridden a coach and horses through the theory of relatively lately the laws of physics are not quite as clear as they were a few weeks ago.

Those on here that are prejudging this project to be dishonest, would you not have treated a group that said it was possible to travel faster than the speed of light with equal derision a few months ago? I know that I would have.

The two great physics debates, perpetual motion and travelling faster than the speed of light, the latter is already on shaky ground.

zeupater

wuthton wrote: »

There's also the possibility that they may be truly developing a new energy source, unlikely I admit. As the Opera Collaboration has ridden a coach and horses through the theory of relatively lately the laws of physics are not quite as clear as they were a few weeks ago.

Those on here that are prejudging this project to be dishonest, would you not have treated a group that said it was possible to travel faster than the speed of light with equal derision a few months ago? I know that I would have.

The two great physics debates, perpetual motion and travelling faster than the speed of light, the latter is already on shaky ground.

Hi

Doesn't the 'travelling faster than the speed of light' issue raise a few questions, these being around the validity of the experiment, also, if Einstein was correct, wouldn't the particles arrive before they were sent (that's something which I haven't seen mentioned yet !), or could it be that the measured speed of light is incorrect ? .... I have no idea, but they're all possibilities ....

HTH
Z

ashleypride

wuthton wrote: »

Those on here that are prejudging this project to be dishonest, would you not have treated a group that said it was possible to travel faster than the speed of light with equal derision a few months ago? I know that I would have.

I treat any extraordinary claim with skepticism. Until it's peer reviewed that is....

pete22

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=547464

wuthton

zeupater wrote: »

Hi

Doesn't the 'travelling faster than the speed of light' issue raise a few questions, these being around the validity of the experiment, also, if Einstein was correct, wouldn't the particles arrive before they were sent (that's something which I haven't seen mentioned yet !), or could it be that the measured speed of light is incorrect ? .... I have no idea, but they're all possibilities ....

HTH
Z

Any debate about what happens when you travel faster than the speed of light only ever degrades into an opinionated argument amongst people who have no idea of the answer. I was going to mention it in my above post but thought better of it.

As to Einstein, if this proves to be correct his theory of relatively will be proved wrong. Complete mind melter the more you think about it.