Work Programme... Need advice please

dandelionclock30

Back to the notion of the deserving and undeserving poor.Those who are unemployed for ages deserved to be forced to do upaid work to earn their keep.This is the least that hard working, contributing tax payers would expect.

GotToChange

All work should be paid.
Not some kind of trade-off - paid. At a sufficient level - and with sufficient levels of "security" - to enable a benefit claimant to stop being precisely that.
Comments such as above will just maintain the current - divided - situation, those who are working for their benefits - and who will remain poor - being looked down on by the "hard-working, contributing tax payer".
Comments such as that make my fingernails ache.

dandelionclock30

I was being sarcastic! I think people should be paid also.

GotToChange

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

I was being sarcastic! I think people should be paid also.

I missed it.
We so need a smiley for sarcasm - I think there used to be one but it was misused to got removed.
Apologies.

Polyhymnia

GotToChange wrote: »

All work should be paid.
Not some kind of trade-off - paid. At a sufficient level - and with sufficient levels of "security" - to enable a benefit claimant to stop being precisely that.
Comments such as above will just maintain the current - divided - situation, those who are working for their benefits - and who will remain poor - being looked down on by the "hard-working, contributing tax payer".
Comments such as that make my fingernails ache.

To post something like that on this board usually elicits a response from someone such as 'in my day we would run around naked in the winter snow, carrying carts full of coal from london to newcastle and got paid a ha'penny for doing so. Kids these days are so spoiled blah, blah, blah.... all unemployed people are lazy and stupid blah blah blah'

GotToChange

I know. I am probably part of that generation - not only having grown up in the late 60's/70's and thus able to remember three-day weeks, power cuts and stand pipes, I also grew up with my grandparents who were born in 1912 and 1908 - so they certainly had no sympathy for how "hard" times were deemed to be in my youth. Let alone the fact that I lived in a house with no central heating, no double glazing, a stone floored pantry, no fitted kitchen and no car after my grandpa retired (which he did when I was about 14, which scuppered my chances of HE - despite high IQ/Grammar School etc etc - as I was told that I must start "bringing money in").

HowEVER - times they have a'changed - and even though I brought up my own daughter without tax credits of any description, no nursery place (no nursery existed in my area) and with a useless husband and no parents of my own to childmind/babysit (ever) - I am aware that circumstances are very very different for people - of all generations - nowadays. Not helped by a runaway birthrate, the shattering of our economy, pillaging and downright theft by those at the top - who make their way to much-abused power by standing on the heads, shoulders and hands of the little people.
I am afraid - not just for the future - but for the very real and very scary present.



[rant over]

leasky30

ive got a question, when ever some one on the work program is sent out to do unpaid work, are they covered by insurance, and employment laws and is health and safety taking into consideration as well

LadyMissA

GotToChange wrote: »

Let alone the fact that I lived in a house with no central heating, no double glazing,

Some of us still do

GotToChange

LadyMissA wrote: »

Some of us still do

Sorry - I guess I made an assumption there.
I actually have a couple of non-dg windows and certainly half-wish I didn't have the ch bills.
My dear grandmother simply refused to have either installed into her 100-yo house (the one I grew up in); she couldn't face the upheaval - and anyway, her son would probably have made her pay for it or increased the rent that he charged her. [She died in the house on 29 December, I would hate to think that the cold or exertion played a part.]

Aaaaanyway - straying off topic.

I too wonder if an unpaid/"voluntary" worker may be covered by employer's insurance, H&S etc.......?

LadyMissA

GotToChange wrote: »

I too wonder if an unpaid/"voluntary" worker may be covered by employer's insurance, H&S etc.......?

What is the employers insurance? I mean what does it cover?