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My apologies for questioning one of the sacred cows of MSE.
Of course disabilities and benefits should have an endless pot of money to allow those people to achieve a decent standard of living while everybody and everything else has to cut back to the bone.
But never mind, by following this course we shall all end up on benefits and get the better standard of living.

clemmatis

!!!!!! wrote: »

My apologies for questioning one of the sacred cows of MSE.
Of course disabilities and benefits should have an endless pot of money to allow those people to achieve a decent standard of living while everybody and everything else has to cut back to the bone.
But never mind, by following this course we shall all end up on benefits and get the better standard of living.

well, !!!!!!, let me, as someone who is not dependent on benefits, thank goodness, and has never married so did not benefit from the married welfare benefits -- married person's tax allowance, married woman's NI stamp... -- has never had a child so has not claimed child benefits; who pays full tax and council tax: let me reply to your points here.

1. Give some proof that "everybody and everything else has to cut back to the bone

2. Give some proof that all people on benefits have a better standard of living than all people off benefits

and, !!!!!!, let me ask you this

!!!!!! wrote: »

When governments are looking for extra ways to raise revenue to fund current commitments I think it indicates that something needs to be done.

is that "something" the same as what the government is doing now?

wellynever

!!!!!! wrote: »

My apologies for questioning one of the sacred cows of MSE.
Of course disabilities and benefits should have an endless pot of money to allow those people to achieve a decent standard of living while everybody and everything else has to cut back to the bone.
But never mind, by following this course we shall all end up on benefits and get the better standard of living.

Have a read then go find a heart,

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/881136-married-couple-driven-to-commit-suicide-by-utter-poverty

voynich

!!!!!! wrote: »

All these people that campaign for this group or that group to be exempt from cuts never seem to put forward a viable alternative set of cuts.

It is not a case of don't cut, we must. We as country do not have the money to carry on funding all things at the current level.

The Government could instead of cutting funds for the sick/disabled try catching people in tax avoidance and fraud. Compared to the money lost in fraud with benefits which is a tiny percent they could be saving millions in tax fraud. I believe recently the Government let a large financial institution Goldman Sachs was let off £10 million pounds. If they had collected that they needn't have been so stringent on the cuts.

Also whenever you hear the Government talking about how much the welfare state is costing everyone they always neglect to point out that the biggest beneficiary are pensioners. They always try to make out that those that are claiming are scroungers which is so wrong on many levels.

Any way thank you to those on this forum who have taken the time to sign the e-petition which has reached the figure of 1249 in just two days. Still a long way to go I know but many organisations are just starting to back it.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20968

voynich

An uhappy reminder of where we might all be heading and why signing this petition

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20968

is at least in a small way protesting and with a lot of luck may even get some action -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059238/Army-veteran-Mark-Mullins-wife-Helen-driven-suicide-poverty.html

neverdespairgirl

wellynever wrote: »

Have a read then go find a heart,

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/881136-married-couple-driven-to-commit-suicide-by-utter-poverty

I don't think that article has anything to do with the cuts. The couple there were actively avoiding getting help, fearing that the woman might be sectioned.

cit_k

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

I don't think that article has anything to do with the cuts. The couple there were actively avoiding getting help, fearing that the woman might be sectioned.

Perhaps if they had not cut welfare rights/legal aid so much, they could have managed to get a welfare rights advisor to inform them there was nothign to worry about...

Perhaps if they spent more money on training DWP staff, this could have been avoided.

wellynever

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

I don't think that article has anything to do with the cuts. The couple there were actively avoiding getting help, fearing that the woman might be sectioned.

Would you like me to post the video where they are trying to get help but the DWP have been messing them about for months.

voynich

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

I don't think that article has anything to do with the cuts. The couple there were actively avoiding getting help, fearing that the woman might be sectioned.

Well she was denied JSA as they said she was not capable of doing any work. Someone should have ensured that both her and her husband were on the right benefits. She obviously needed a lot of help if she was illiterate.

She was denied JSA because of her illiteracy and she was denied ESA because she was not considered to be sick so if that is not slipping between the safety net I do not know what is.

A strange comment from the DWP who seemed to be suggesting they were paying her money and yet that does not tie in with her husband only receiving £57.50.

However I would expect we will hear more stories where people are denied benefits if they do not conform to the Governments attempts to have slave labour for big corporations in their work for your dole iniative.

If the Government is serious about getting people back to work then it should invest in industry/construction and get some decent paid jobs for people.

http://carerwatch.com/reform/

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/20968