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Wrong, annecdotal evidence has been provided from both family members/close contacts and some actual workers.
None of whom you choose to beleive and insist they are all liers. Sorry no one has since taken the decison to tear down notices and scan them as well as the leaflets mentionned. Maybe some one will, but even then I can only assume you will say they typed it up themselves.
Anecdote is not evidence just because you use the words together. The fact that nobody has chosen to post the evidence after this time suggests that it does not exist. And yes after this time you have a point that they have had time to create the "evidence" but they still have not done so. Wonder why?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
That is the reason for it becoming an issue.
Pre Labour Govt, the public sector were on a generally low income and the pension was seen as a reward for that and a life in public service. During the Labour years, the public sector pay increased above the private sector pay levels. So, now they get better pay and better pensions. Hence the need to reform.
They will going some to beat your private sector pension and income
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
I normally read a whole thread before replying but I couldn't tke any more... sorry.
I am in the real world! ...and it's got absolutely nothing to do with the union, the union legitimises peeved off workers taking industrial action thats all - actually the unions are pretty ineffectual (IMO). Sensible politicians... real world??
I understand wage inflation is about 3% in the UK ATM? Where's that from? What happened to private sector pensions? Plenty of profits flying about even now, but in the hay day when pensions were "performing well" boards were declaring "pensions holidays". The hedge fund mgrs are making millions and millions, the SH dividends have been high and stock even higher. Then when TSHTF there's no money left??!
Compare the CEOs and top earners salaries of public sector versus private - ridiculous, no comparison. Nah, gold plated pensions in public sector is a myth, yes better than private sector (mostly) but salary and pension is the entirety of the remuneration package. No cars, health care, christmas bonus, overtime, tax management, fuel, no cash in hand, no big parties on the boss, no first class travel, no business class flights world-wide, no staying at top hotels and lap dancing on expences crickey, we're lucky to get refreshments at mandatory meetings... and anyone on here who thinks that the public sector will have final salary pensions is as drunk as my mother.
Basically most of us *are* in this together, with worsening wages, pensions, and conditions - and our children will have it worse - OUR children. None of us like it and some people are trying to do something about it (strike, without pay, e.g.). Everyone's looking for someone to blame: benefit cheats, city twits, politicians, public sector, unions, inefficiency, etcetc. IMO, 1) there is a finite amount of money (QE series notwithstnding) and a relatively small number of people are holding on to truly staggering amounts of it, 2) personal, govt and [a lot of] business debt is unsustainable and 3) HMRC need to do better.
I heard from a very reliable source that there IS a certain percentage of private sector works who have EXACTLY the same pension as what public sector workers do. And guess what! They will pay A LOT LESS for their pension then what public sector workers will do!
The sort of people who are going to be affected by these changes to pensions and indeed redundancies being made will often be mums with families to provide for.
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Your comment is absurd.
My statement was about the content I quoted in the same message in which it was made.
And that excuse is uncomprehensible;)I like the thanks button, but ,please, an I agree button.
Will the grammar and spelling police respect I do make grammatical errors, and have carp spelling, no need to remind me.;)
Always expect the unexpected:eek:and then you won't be dissapointed0 -
michelle1506 wrote: »I heard from a very reliable source that there IS a certain percentage of private sector works who have EXACTLY the same pension as what public sector workers do. And guess what! They will pay A LOT LESS for their pension then what public sector workers will do!
The sort of people who are going to be affected by these changes to pensions and indeed redundancies being made will often be mums with families to provide for.
What percentage are we talking about? 1% 2% 3%... We can all find some percentage that bucks the trend. The fact remains that majority of public sector workers have better pensions than their equivalent private sector counterpart even with the new proposals.0 -
michelle1506 wrote: »I heard from a very reliable source that there IS a certain percentage of private sector works who have EXACTLY the same pension as what public sector workers do. And guess what! They will pay A LOT LESS for their pension then what public sector workers will do!
What's the percentage? Less than 1? Not that it matters because those private sector FS pensions aren't paid out of tax revenues.0 -
michelle1506 wrote: »I heard from a very reliable source that there IS a certain percentage of private sector works who have EXACTLY the same pension as what public sector workers do. And guess what! They will pay A LOT LESS for their pension then what public sector workers will do!
The sort of people who are going to be affected by these changes to pensions and indeed redundancies being made will often be mums with families to provide for.
Yes we in the 'real world' are pulling your leg, we all have bag fulls of money and will get a big pension equal to the public sector, same with the age we are all going to retire at 60 too! but don't tell anyone shhhhhhh.0 -
Anecdote is not evidence just because you use the words together. The fact that nobody has chosen to post the evidence after this time suggests that it does not exist. And yes after this time you have a point that they have had time to create the "evidence" but they still have not done so. Wonder why?
That makes no sense at all. Annectdotal evidence is just that- annectdotal evidence.
Those people posted on other threads (inlc their own asking Q's) so aren't reading this one so haven't heard your call/demand for them to 'cough up'. And if they did, like I said before they probably didn't think at the time " I know, I'll just tear this down off the wall, and pinch these pamplets because you never know when some faceless numpty on MSE penion forum is going to demand evidence of same" etc.
hopefully someone will have the foresight to do this in future, but surely they aren't thinking of MSE when running into this stuff.0 -
Not sure how its communicated but is this what you have in mind?
http://issuu.com/hmtreasury/docs/pensions_publicservice_021111?mode=window&backgroundColor=%23222222
I know its been promulgated in a few organisations.
Wow 80% pensions for the lower paid, it is career average but they don't usually have career ladders. Surely that could mean that they may receive a larger pension than a wage when they were working.
Heath assistant 14600 final salary, pension 11900 +5400 (state pension). Surely I have that wrong or are the govt playing divide and conquer? I haven't read through the whole document but I think I will at some point.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
cyclonebri1 wrote: »And that excuse is uncomprehensible;)
Even in my second language I know your comment is absurd. And its incomprehensible!Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0
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