Steve Jobs biography

bodacious

going to pop instore to get this today as I know someone it would make a great present for. Thanks for posting!

greyraccoon

rainbow_carnage wrote: »

Calling it a fact doesn't make it so. Studies have shown that girls perform just as well as boys in maths, but gender stereotypes prevent them from going into male-dominated fields (Else-Ques, et al, 2010).

And I will give the OP a hard time because studies also show that when women are reminded of the gender stereotypes, they actually start to perform worse (Kiefer and Sekaquaptewa, 2007).

It's not that women are biologically programmed to be less interested in technology than men. It's just that, thanks to people like you and the OP, girls grow up believing that science and maths are male subjects.

When someone writes, 'This is one for cat owners' in a post about cat food, that makes sense. When someone writes, 'One for the men' in a post about a book, all that does is perpetuate an unhelpful stereotype.

I very much hope that the OP is not raising daughters.

Calling it a fact is fine because it is a fact. The OP did not say that boys perform better than girls at maths. They merely said that men are more likely to be interested in this book than women. In general. For example, a 2010 study showed than 57% of iPhone users, 54% of iPod touch users, a massive 73% of Android users and 58% of webOS users were male. These are the sorts of people the book will likely interest.

If there was a deal for a book that would mainly interest women (e.g. anything by Marian Keyes, Cecelia Ahern and many others) would you be offended at a poster stating "one for the girls" ?

thelurch

This book shouldn't be just directed as a present just for the men, women would enjoy it especially as apple are about to release their new gadget specifically aimed at women, it's called the iRon ;-)

rainbow_carnage

greyraccoon wrote: »

Calling it a fact is fine because it is a fact. The OP did not say that boys perform better than girls at maths. They merely said that men are more likely to be interested in this book than women. In general. For example, a 2010 study showed than 57% of iPhone users, 54% of iPod touch users, a massive 73% of Android users and 58% of webOS users were male. These are the sorts of people the book will likely interest.

If there was a deal for a book that would mainly interest women (e.g. anything by Marian Keyes, Cecelia Ahern and many others) would you be offended at a poster stating "one for the girls" ?

Just because more men use certain types of technology doesn't mean that they are naturally more interested in it than women. Society teaches children that these are boys' toys. After a while, they start to believe it.

Those stats also reflect the fact that men earn more than women. It's in no way surprising that more men can afford Apple products than women.

I'm sure that more men than women will read this book. That doesn't mean that we should continue to promote these stereotypes.

And, btw, I'm not offended by the OP. It just makes me a little nauseous that in 2011, people still automatically assume that a biography of Steve Jobs is somehow a men's book.

lisyloo

Men are more likely to be interested in technology than women.

Possibly, but that doesn't men no women will be interested. I was thinking of getting it.

geez the amount of mild sexism that goes on in this women dominated forum

Two wrongs don't make a right.
I wouldn't agree with sexism against men.

I'm not offended by the OP. It just makes me a little nauseous that in 2011, people still automatically assume that a biography of Steve Jobs is somehow a men's book.

Totally agree.
I'm not offended and I don't think anything was intended, but it is a nauseous stereotype.
The women on the apprentice get equal billing these days as entrepeneurs.

lindseykim13

lol reminds me of the time my mil was organising a bbq and ordered "steak for the men" still makes me cross now!

camaj

greyraccoon wrote: »

The OP did not say that boys perform better than girls at maths. They merely said that men are more likely to be interested in this book than women.

No they said "one for the men" which infers that it's mainly men that'll be interested. You're right, men are more likely to be interested but that's not what the OP said. I reckon more women would read this than men would read something girly.

WarriorPrincess

I've been looking forward to this & I'm a)absolutely not a techie b)deffo a girl

albionrovers

rainbow_carnage wrote: »

Are we living in the 1950s?

It's no wonder there are so few girls going into science and technology fields.

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Fair old point. I'm male and wouldn't touch this book.

JustaNewbie_2

rainbow_carnage wrote: »

Calling it a fact doesn't make it so. Studies have shown that girls perform just as well as boys in maths, but gender stereotypes prevent them from going into male-dominated fields (Else-Ques, et al, 2010).

And I will give the OP a hard time because studies also show that when women are reminded of the gender stereotypes, they actually start to perform worse (Kiefer and Sekaquaptewa, 2007).

It's not that women are biologically programmed to be less interested in technology than men. It's just that, thanks to people like you and the OP, girls grow up believing that science and maths are male subjects.

When someone writes, 'This is one for cat owners' in a post about cat food, that makes sense. When someone writes, 'One for the men' in a post about a book, all that does is perpetuate an unhelpful stereotype.

I very much hope that the OP is not raising daughters.

Well said. :T:T:T