BBC Thursday: The Future State of Welfare

Going4TheDream

Flight2quality wrote: »

If all the families on low incomes that get help with their rent were forced to move away from London then rents and houses prices would collapse in London. There would be more supply in the many now empty properties and less demand if only the people left to pay out of their own pocket, and they will not want to pay so much.

In my initial post on economies of scale for children I was relating purely to income benefits and not HB and I did suggest that the cuts be made only to non working claimants and that working claimants should receive the full amount.

I believe that should apply HB too.

The widening of the gap between 'is it worth my while to work' should be greater, and by paying less for those who breed children as a 'career move' on the state or taking away the option for family men choosing not to take a low paid because 'it is not worth it' would slowly disappear.

It is not about being unfair, if anything it about being fair. Being fair to all the families/people that do work, often for not a lot more than those that don't/choose not to.

If non working people/families still choose not to work they either have to pay the extra rent out of their (smaller) benefits or move...??

How many single working adults are there that earn slightly too much to get any benefits and have to make choices like that..... I would think rather a lot

Going4TheDream

No doubt this will be contentious?

Is it the start of 'workfare' such as in the States?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059237/Jobseekers-fail-work-forced-voluntary-work-30-hours-week.html

John_Pierpoint

If one has tried to get a job for 2 years and failed, I think the market is trying to tell you something.
"This is a global market and you already have a "pension" of at least 60 - 70 quid a week - it is time to go and do something useful with your life."

Unfortunately there are a lot of people, especially after two years of "failure", that have a mental screw loose somewhere and extracting even 60 quid of value out of them per week is almost impossible.

Sometimes the "born again" cults manage to get them actively employed again.