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MONEY MORAL DILEMMA: Should Carol take Sharon on?

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  • kit
    kit Posts: 1,678 Forumite
    Both should apply...... doesnt mean either will get it though!
    In theory the best person for the job will get it.
    My best mate and I would be happy to go up against each other for a job...... we are close enough not to let it effect our relationship.
    2012 wins approx £11,000 including 5k to spend on a holiday :j
  • skylight
    skylight Posts: 10,716 Forumite
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    All is fair in love and war. And employment.


    But I would have to talk to my friend first and tell her that actually, the job interests me too, but at least with both of us in the running, it should push Miss X out of the frame!
  • Everyone deserves the chance - and it's not Carol's fault that her friend is bad with money. She shouldn't stand down just because of that. If their friendship is true, then Madge would be just as happy for her. If not, then it wasn't a friendship worth worrying about in the first place. Carol's worked just as hard and has just as much right to try for the promotion.
    I would encourage Carol to inform Madge that she is trying for the job too, though - that way Madge shouldn't feel betrayed, but should show support...and might even encourage her to try even harder to achieve this, knowing there was some stiff competition.
    :beer:
  • JayD
    JayD Posts: 743 Forumite
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    There are too many assumptions about how Madge might react.
    Friends should be open and honest with each other. Carol should talk to Madge and explain she intends to apply for the promotion too. Who knows who will end up getting it? It isn't a done deal - it could also be advertised outside the firm. What if a stranger got the job and Carol hadn't applied, that could upset them both!
    I'm sure Carol will help her friend in many ways, but rolling over re a career opportunity isn't one that I think is warranted.
  • meher
    meher Posts: 15,910 Forumite
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    Should Carol compete with her best friend?

    "Carol and Madge have always worked together, they applied together and have been best friends since school. Unlike Carol, who's great with her cash, Madge's a financial nightmare; she's heavily in debt and is struggling to keep a roof over her son's head.

    Now there's a promotion available at work, it's all Madge's been going on about as her 'way out'. Carol's not mentioned it, but she'd be interested in applying too and is the only one in the firm with as good a chance as Madge."
    The very least Carol could do for her best friend who's struggling financially is to make way for her and encourage her to apply for the promotion. Hopefully that sacrifice Carol makes for her will make Madge value not just the friendship but also her earnings and change her ways of spending and pay off her debts instead.

    Am I optimistic :D Actually that's faith ;)
    Saucepot wrote:
    The best plan would be to either apply for the promotion or indicate your interest without telling a soul. Then do all that one can to undermine your competitor by fair means or foul. Indirectly (there must be no blood on your hands) show your competitor to be incompetent.

    When your promotion is anounced, say you were suprised to be asked to do it, and pleased to be given the opportunity. Tell people you are only happy to take on these managerial responsibilites because you work with such great people.

    Sympathise with your friend and indicate you will do all you can to assist her progress, and now your heading upwards, that with mutual support you will claw up the ranks together.

    Then plot your next step upwards.
    Likely you're a reincarnation of Machiavelli :p
  • Saucepot
    Saucepot Posts: 12,322 Forumite
    If I was to add to my statement, Meher, I think it important to divorce rhetoric from action. I think after achieving the promotion the rhetoric ought to encourage the friend to buy into the idea that she can achieve her aims by supporting one’s career. However whether one is actually going to do this for her is another matter. The people you drag up with you are the ones that pose the greatest threat. Those are the people you need to keep close, and championing you.

    Ultimately whether you do anything for the friend’s career must depend on whether there is any real need to, after all it may be judicious to promote a more ambitious soul, and make a more useful ally.

    If the friend is as incompetent with her finances as stated, then her general level of disorganisation will make her unsuitable for promotion, easy to undermine, and frankly a useless ally in your climb up the greasy pole.
    I wonder why it is, that young men are always cautioned against bad girls. Anyone can handle a bad girl. It's the good girls men should be warned against.-David Niven
  • Saucepot, I wish there were an icon for tongue in cheek!

    LOL!
  • Taffybiker
    Taffybiker Posts: 927 Forumite
    The more money you earn, the higher your credit rate is. If Madge got the promotion it could spell disaster for her and her family. Carol, being good with cash, would recognise this and therefore help Madge out by applying herself. Irony? Maybe, but Madge needs finacial education first, it would help much much more than a pay raise.
    Try saying "I have under-a-pound in my wallet" and listen to people react!
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