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HELP! Must I change my meter?
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Why do they need any specific legislation to access or replace their own property?
Is it their property? If I switch supplier is it his property too? I mean to say - who actually owns it since they all can't? If it is the transporter as mentioned in a previous post then how can my utility company claim it is theirs?0 -
Right now you only have 9/10s of a correct installation and your MCS installer should know better than to have left it as it is!
Panels were only fitted yesterday so it is possible that the installer is already in contact with the supplier - once again a quick judgement (quite likely to be wrong)Your DNO/Supplier will want to fit a proper FIT/Micro-generation compatible meter - not one that runs backwards. The CORRECT meter for your installation will record your generation and what you export to the grid as well as as your usage. What you currently have is NOT correct and your MCS installer should have notifed your DNO to change it for a micro-generation compatible meter.
See comment aboveThat's the ONLY way they can correctly record ALL elements of your installation - your generation, exported units and your usage. If you obstruct this, they WILL get a court order to enter your premises and fit one, no doubt about it.
Where is this written? - about a court order that is. I have yet to have anyone say this back it up with a reference.Can't see what your problem is, as it stands right now it's not getting correctly recorded and you will ultimately loose out.
How can I lose out - if you understand my reasoning I am simply breaking even in that I am not paying for what I generate.Unless of course you think you've found some sort of fiddle (which you haven't.....)
Quite right! it is not a fiddle - I just want a fair deal by not paying for the electricity I generate.0 -
Freightdog wrote: »Is it their property? If I switch supplier is it his property too? I mean to say - who actually owns it since they all can't? If it is the transporter as mentioned in a previous post then how can my utility company claim it is theirs?
Your DNO (Distribution Network Operator) owns everything up to, and including, your meter - not your supplier. However, due to the way the DNOs were set up, your DNO MAY be your supplier (though this is increasingly unlikley as domestic supply & DNO acitivites are split into separate companies). Generally once your supplier is notified of the change to your installation (via your FIT form), they instruct your DNO to go fit a compatible meter, which can take a couple of weeks or so. Your MCS installer should (can?) also notify your DNO.
One way or another, you will ultimately be getting the proper FIT/Micro-gen compatible meter fitted and there are 2 things you can do about it fella. 1) sod all, 2) nothing....
Gas(Network) and Electricity(DNO) companies have a "statutory right of entry" to your home to replace/maintain/inspect their equipment, backed up by court order if necessary.
Rights of Entry (Gas and Electricity Boards) Act 1954
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Eliz2/2-3/21/section/2
The Gas Safety (Rights of Entry) Regulations 1996
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2535/contents/made0 -
Freightdog wrote: »Wow, sorry for breathing! I didn't mention it because:
a) Most people reading this are already aware of the payment
b) It is paid by the government - not the utility company
c) It has no relevance to my argument whatsoever
One thing I have found on these forums is that people are very quick to judge you and often for the wrong motives. As you rightly said installation is only cost effective with the government incentive of FITs. However, as I have tried to argue in previous posts is it morally right (or even honest) for the utility company to sell my electricity either back to me or someone else? All I would like to do is ensure that I do not get penalised by having a new meter fitted that does not 'net' as a previous poster put it.
Please, is there anyone there who can tell me what I can do instead of what I can't?
totaly wrong. the FIT is paid from a fund from the utility companys not the government
also on your form for the FIT you have to tell them that your meter is going backwards.
this happened to me and it was a nightmare to sort out
what will happen if you dont tell them they will estimate your usage and charge you that amount then change the meter
no you have no legal right to stop them as it is their equipment
what you ard doing is theft. and will be treated as so if you do not tell them0 -
Your DNO (Distribution Network Operator) owns everything up to, and including, your meter - not your supplier. However, due to the way the DNOs were set up, your DNO MAY be your supplier (though this is increasingly unlikley as domestic supply & DNO acitivites are split into separate companies). Generally once your supplier is notified of the change to your installation (via your FIT form), they instruct your DNO to go fit a compatible meter, which can take a couple of weeks or so. Your MCS installer should (can?) also notify your DNO.
One way or another, you will ultimately be getting the proper FIT/Micro-gen compatible meter fitted and there are 2 things you can do about it fella. 1) sod all, 2) nothing....
Gas(Network) and Electricity(DNO) companies have a "statutory right of entry" to your home to replace/maintain/inspect their equipment, backed up by court order if necessary.
Rights of Entry (Gas and Electricity Boards) Act 1954
The Gas Safety (Rights of Entry) Regulations 1996
Thanks for pointing me to the relevant legislation. It seems that the companies have me over a barrel. It was a nice dream while it lasted!0 -
energysavingexp wrote: »totaly wrong. the FIT is paid from a fund from the utility companys not the government
also on your form for the FIT you have to tell them that your meter is going backwards.
this happened to me and it was a nightmare to sort out
what will happen if you dont tell them they will estimate your usage and charge you that amount then change the meter
no you have no legal right to stop them as it is their equipment
what you ard doing is theft. and will be treated as so if you do not tell them
My apologies - I was wrong about the government paying the FITs; thank you for enlightening me. My meter runs forward as well and more so than it runs backwards. Overall, I am a net user from the grid.
I have to say that I take exception to your comment that what I am doing is theft. Until they fit a new meter I am hardly responsible for the way my meter turns! If you had taken the time to understand my argument then you would understand that I am simply taking back what I gave in the first place - how on earth can that be construed as theft?0 -
How have you managed to have an MCS approved install without the fitment of a generation meter? Without this, how are you going to claim FIT's?No free lunch, and no free laptop
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How have you managed to have an MCS approved install without the fitment of a generation meter? Without this, how are you going to claim FIT's?
There's so many FIT installs going on that the DNOs are swamped with meter upgrade requests. As long as the right paperwork has been done by the installer then a micro-gen meter WILL appear but it's taking 2-3 weeks (at best!) round here right now.0 -
How have you managed to have an MCS approved install without the fitment of a generation meter? Without this, how are you going to claim FIT's?
A generation meter was fitted with the installation - what I am referring to is the existing electricity meter which runs backwards if I am generating more than I am using and vice versa. The FIT meter which other posters refer to is a replacement for the existing meter and is designed not to run backwards (so I understand)0 -
Freightdog wrote: »I have to say that I take exception to your comment that what I am doing is theft. Until they fit a new meter I am hardly responsible for the way my meter turns! If you had taken the time to understand my argument then you would understand that I am simply taking back what I gave in the first place - how on earth can that be construed as theft?
It only becomes theft once you're aware of their error, and do not take steps to correct it.
By the same argument, it's not theft if you take stuff from tesco, as long as you return similar items sooner or later.
In addition - you are already being paid - twice - once by me (and other users), once by the utility companies for the generated power.
You can't try to sell it again!0
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