Bought from Chinese website masquerading as UK company, Do I have any rights?

unholyangel

You're still missing the point.

Heres several points:
- Could end up with a counterfit product
- Product may not comply with European safety standards
- Product may be faulty
- Product could potentially cause faults in equipment it is installed in/connected to
- Product could cause injury

And if any of the above happens, there is NOTHING you can do about it.

You're quoting 11.1v based on what? A battery that has been manufactured correctly and has adequate safety measures?

oh and btw, afaik....its current that kills.....not voltage. So why you would quote voltage is beyond me. Not a physics student i take it?


I'm not saying people should agree with me. Its up to the individual whether they want to take the risks involved or not. But i'd rather know I can get it repaired/replaced/refunded if anything goes wrong.
I hope you can at least see the irony you're saying its fine to buy from China - with whom you would have no consumer rights.......on a consumer rights board.

2sides2everystory

You're still missing the point.
Heres several points:
- Could end up with a counterfit product - Only if you are daft enough to believe you can get a genuine one from an aftermarket provider at an aftermarket price. Yer average moneysaver pays yer money and yer takes yer choice.
- Product may not comply with European safety standards - and what might they be if Sony batteries can slip through?
- Product may be faulty - so might any product
- Product could potentially cause faults in equipment it is installed in/connected to - so might any product
- Product could cause injury - so might any product

And if any of the above happens, there is NOTHING you can do about it.

You could contact the seller if you feel strongly enough to bother - after all they do live on the same planet and I hear they are also human and even compassionate some of them.

You're quoting 11.1v based on what? A battery that has been manufactured correctly and has adequate safety measures?

Based on what most of them say on the label

oh and btw, afaik....its current that kills.....not voltage. So why you would quote voltage is beyond me. Not a physics student i take it?

Yes actually I have a degree in physics albeit one that pre-dates laptops by a couple of decades Perhaps you might teach me how a typical faulty laptop battery can deliver that killer shock under normal usage? I am sure we ignorant consumers are all most anxious to know and I have removed my 11.1V battery from my laptop pending your most urgent advices

To assist you I have Googled "Killer shock" and "laptop battery" and found this most popular link

unholyangel

2sides2everystory wrote: »

You could contact the seller if you feel strongly enough to bother - after all they do live on the same planet and I hear they are also human and even compassionate some of them.

Based on what most of them say on the label

Yes actually I have a degree in physics albeit one that pre-dates laptops by a couple of decades Perhaps you might teach me how a typical faulty laptop battery can deliver that killer shock under normal usage? I am sure we ignorant consumers are all most anxious to know and I have removed my 11.1V battery from my laptop pending your most urgent advices

To assist you I have Googled "Killer shock" and "laptop battery" and found this most popular link

:doh: Does your degree pre-date electricity too?

If you actually do have a degree in physics i am completely surprised you quoted voltage since anyone with basic physics knowledge would know its current.

Lets try this one last time and see if you can get to grips with it.

unholyangel wrote: »

If i need to pay over the odds for peace of mind, i would.

unholyangel wrote: »

You might think its worth the risk, I dont.

unholyangel wrote: »

I'm not saying people should agree with me. Its up to the individual whether they want to take the risks involved or not. But i'd rather know I can get it repaired/replaced/refunded if anything goes wrong.

2sides2everystory

unholyangel wrote: »

:doh: Does your degree pre-date electricity too?

If you actually do have a degree in physics i am completely surprised you quoted voltage since anyone with basic physics knowledge would know its current.

Lets try this one last time and see if you can get to grips with it.

Nah I am obviously flogging a [STRIKE]counterfeit battery[/STRIKE] dead horse aren't I? Try this for a little enlightenment. Then you might let me know if it is safe to put my 11.1V laptop battery of unknown origin back into my laptop where it works just fine

squeaky

Your user name is wrong... there are THREE sides to every story...

Yours, mine, and the truth.

HTH

Techhead_2

unholyangel wrote: »

Not the same case I initially mentioned (the one i mentioned was featured on watchdog btw, was a interview with the boys mother and he was slightly older than the one in this story) but.....
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2641861.ece

I draw your attention to the particular:
After Connor’s death, the device was sent to LGA, a German electrical laboratory, where it was found to be far below European safety standards.


As i said, they have different safety standards to ours. According to several sites, 90% of counterfeit goods that enter the UK come from China. I dont doubt there are good genuine products in China. I'm just saying its not worth the risk.

You buy something from a store in the UK and that product is faulty or causes injury in some way, you have legal recourse. You buy from China? You have none.

While officials in china may be concerned about the reputation, i doubt crooks are. Have you ever watched the program that deals with customs and excise? containers full of fake stuff and guess where it all comes from? China.

Two points about your link. It doesn't mention China. The child sadly passed away after touching exposed wires with wet hands (the German report mentions that two other wires were too close and MAY cause a risk to others)

My point is that unsafe goods are manufactured all over the world. Just being from China does not make them likely to be unsafe.

unholyangel

Techhead wrote: »

Two points about your link. It doesn't mention China. The child sadly passed away after touching exposed wires with wet hands (the German report mentions that two other wires were too close and MAY cause a risk to others)

My point is that unsafe goods are manufactured all over the world. Just being from China does not make them likely to be unsafe.

Not meaning to sound rude but you seem to share the same inability to read as 2sides.

1. I didnt say it was china. I actually said it wasnt the case i was talking about. I also said previously other countries dont have same safety standards as the EU. And if you read the article, it says Thai police initially said he was still wet from swimming. It then goes on to explain how the charger had "serious defects" and the wires were "dangerously close together which could easily become live and electrocute a user". It then also states the boy wasnt wet and nor was he wearing the same clothes he went swimming in.

2. My point is if you buy from China, you have no legal recourse should something go wrong. Its a pretty basic point. And especially relevant as we're on a consumer rights board. Which part of that is so difficult to understand?

texranger

99% of products purchased in the UK come from China, yes these are tested before being placed for sale to general public, but thios still does not help.

as a toy trader i remember the ball on a cord that was banned from sale due to safety issues. these had all the CE markes etc for safety, but when these were banned it was because they failed to test the cord, so wonder why it was given the CE mark if that was the case.

i buy many items direct from China and even do my own tests before i sell these.

2sides2everystory

unholyangel wrote: »

Not meaning to sound rude but you seem to share the same inability to read as 2sides.

You do sound a teenzy bit arrogant, unholy - even when compared to me

Have you been able to read that physics homework I recommended yet?

moonrakerz

unholyangel wrote: »

I think the point is that batteries in the UK should conform to safety standards and have to have additional safety features which are not required in other countries (ie china). Which is often why they're so cheap from china.....because they dont have that additional cost.

I can remember when we used to say things like that about Japanese products.

I have just bought a Nikon lens - made in China; is it unsafe ?