Stud dog / breeding query

Person_one

CFC wrote: »

She might manage to find a forum where people dont instantly post like the Hitler Jugende as soon as someone mentions breeding, regardless of whether the advice is that the !!!!! is a bit old for a first litter or not. One doesn't ALWAYS have to drag rescue dogs into it, cast aspersions on the aspiration, or imply that someone who's disabled and lives in a flat would automatically be unsuitable to breed.

Actually, as long as people are still breeding dogs for no good reason while thousands are unwanted and homeless, lots of us feel its always relevant. I'm not anti-breeding in the right circumstances, as I obviously don't want dogs to die out! However the right circumstances are pretty few and far between generally.

Nice Godwin there, too.

lostinrates

CFC wrote: »

She might manage to find a forum where people dont instantly post like the Hitler Jugende as soon as someone mentions breeding, regardless of whether the advice is that the !!!!! is a bit old for a first litter or not. One doesn't ALWAYS have to drag rescue dogs into it.

I'm really a supporter of pedigree dog breeding, and not opposed to owners of GOOD dogs supported by those experienced and successful in their breed breeding from a pet under many circumstances. My mother and lots of freinds are or have been breeders and involved in showing. I still think breeding from a six year old b***h ''on the cheap'' and it turns out possibly in a flat is a pretty poor idea in general.

welshmoneylover

OP, the !!!!! is too old to breed from. Besides, rescue centres up and down the country are full of lovely border collies looking for forever homes.

Please don't add further to the problem.

krlyr

CFC wrote: »

She might manage to find a forum where people dont instantly post like the Hitler Jugende as soon as someone mentions breeding, regardless of whether the advice is that the !!!!! is a bit old for a first litter or not. One doesn't ALWAYS have to drag rescue dogs into it, cast aspersions on the aspiration, or imply that someone who's disabled and lives in a flat would automaticallynot only be unsuitable to breed, but also looking to defraud the council and DWP.

Not all of us made these comments - if you read back my post you'll see I have no problem with people buying from reputable breeders. Are you not as guilty of judging us instantly?

Paradigm

Caroline_a wrote: »

No money in breeding at all!! unless you do it the wrong way...

I wouldn't be too sure about that, it all depends on what you're breeding My sister breeds GSDs & sells them all before they are born. Ok she won't retire a millionaire but she does ok (& she does it the right way)

Person_one wrote: »

Actually, as long as people are still breeding dogs for no good reason while thousands are unwanted and homeless, lots of us feel its always relevant. I'm not anti-breeding in the right circumstances, as I obviously don't want dogs to die out! However the right circumstances are pretty few and far between generally.

What are the right circumstances? Personally I would have a puppy before a rescue everytime.

I don't want to spend my time on a rescue that may have a serious problem, spend months re-training the previous owners mistakes however much I feel sorry for the little sods.

If a rescue is right for you, great! I've got nothing but admiration. I don't want one.

Tropez

I would recommend the OP get in touch with as many professional, reputable breeders in their area as possible and ask for as much advice as possible.

Most reputable breeders would be happy to discuss and inform the OP about breeding in a healthy, productive manner as most of them will be true dog lovers and want the best for any dogs that are used for breeding and the puppies that they give birth to, regardless of whether they have bred them themselves or not. They would also be able to provide what I imagine would be valuable insight into the entire process and the potential pitfalls that may catch the unwary off guard.

I do not mean this to sound judgemental but I don't think a forum is the best place to look for the information that you require. Most breeders, as I say, are genuine dog lovers (I know the breeder who supplied by batch of lovable furbags is) and will not view you as a competitor but will be happy to supply you with their knowledge. It is an enormous commitment just taking on a dog, never mind breeding from one - it is a commitment that I would never feel comfortable in making despite a few people telling me that at least one of my dogs would have been fantastic to breed from (they're all spayed now, so yeah, not going to happen) and although I don't know enough to even begin to advise the OP, or anybody else, I am aware of this commitment.

I, truly, believe the best people to talk to are experienced, reputable breeders. The Kennel Club website can give you a list of registered breeders in your area. Take some details, make a few phone calls and see how you get on.

Person_one

Paradigm wrote: »

I wouldn't be too sure about that, it all depends on what you're breeding My sister breeds GSDs & sells them all before they are born. Ok she won't retire a millionaire but she does ok (& she does it the right way)



What are the right circumstances? Personally I would have a puppy before a rescue everytime.

I don't want to spend my time on a rescue that may have a serious problem, spend months re-training the previous owners mistakes however much I feel sorry for the little sods.

If a rescue is right for you, great! I've got nothing but admiration. I don't want one.

Hmm, I've got two little rescue dogs sat on the sofa with me now, good as gold, house trained, friendly, perfect. Not all rescue dogs have 'serious problems' or anything like, in fact there are tons of puppies in rescue all the time, many of them the litters of dumped pregnant !!!!!es.

The right circumstances for breeding are when you have two healthy dogs and a waiting list as long as your arm for the puppies. To me, breed isn't all that important as long as all tests are carried out, I don't really care that much about preserving many of the damaged and mutated breeds we have these days. Does your sister get her GSDs hip scored for example? Many of the show lines are practically crippled and these are supposedly the 'good' examples of the breed.

We should only be breeding enough dogs to keep things ticking over for now, so that dogs don't go extinct while we wait for the numbers in rescue to start coming down. There will always be some dogs needing to be rehomed but the situation as it stands is completely out of control.

Kinski

Paradigm wrote: »

What are the right circumstances? Personally I would have a puppy before a rescue everytime.

I don't want to spend my time on a rescue that may have a serious problem, spend months re-training the previous owners mistakes however much I feel sorry for the little sods.

If a rescue is right for you, great! I've got nothing but admiration. I don't want one.

I'm another one that's sitting beside my very well ( apart from her barking ) behaved rescue dog, she does have a few problems but nothing that can't be sorted with a little time, Ellie is approx 3 years old and was used just to churn out pups by some puppy farmer in Wales, she's snuggled up beside my s****bag of a dog I got from a reputable breeder, he has quite a few problems does Arran but I still love him. I have no problem with reputable breeders who take time to get all the checks done, who search for the right ( proven ) stud dog , has enough money for vets bills if things go wrong and of course will take the pups back no matter how old they are if things go wrong and the new owner can't keep them.

Paradigm

Person_one wrote: »

Hmm, I've got two little rescue dogs sat on the sofa with me now, good as gold, house trained, friendly, perfect. Not all rescue dogs have 'serious problems' or anything like, in fact there are tons of puppies in rescue all the time, many of them the litters of dumped pregnant !!!!!es.

The right circumstances for breeding are when you have two healthy dogs and a waiting list as long as your arm for the puppies. To me, breed isn't all that important as long as all tests are carried out, I don't really care that much about preserving many of the damaged and mutated breeds we have these days. Does your sister get her GSDs hip scored for example? Many of the show lines are practically crippled and these are supposedly the 'good' examples of the breed.

We should only be breeding enough dogs to keep things ticking over for now, so that dogs don't go extinct while we wait for the numbers in rescue to start coming down. There will always be some dogs needing to be rehomed but the situation as it stands is completely out of control.

Most of your comments are for debating on another topic which I'll gladly join

Like I said, if you are happy taking in rescues well done.... it's not for me & I daresay a few others around here!

Person_one

Paradigm wrote: »

Most of your comments are for debating on another topic which I'll gladly join

Like I said, if you are happy taking in rescues well done.... it's not for me & I daresay a few others around here!

I think all those issues are entirely relevant to the OP, when deciding to breed from your dog or not you have to look at the bigger picture too, same as with every decision!