PCN in Matalan car park

sumeet

Parked in the car park as it was fairly empty, but not knowing it was a pay & display area as either side other shops such as Tesco had free parking but ended with a PCN after only being there for around 10 minutes.

Looking at the notice it says time issued at 12:00 and same time for time first seen. Thought they would give you at least 5 minutes before booking you? Is there any way I can get out of this by saying went for change?

Orford

Who issued the ticket? Council or private parking company?

vax2002

Look at the bottom of the ticket and find the part that says SEND PAYMENT TO : ???????????????/ ?????????
And post up what it says, then we can help you.

Oopsadaisy

If it's private, ignore....er, that's it.

sumeet

Thanks for replies so far, just to add more details, it's issued by Town & City Parking Ltd, Reg. no. SC138255.

Under Payment details are instructions, A PARKING CHARGE OF £60 IS NOW DUE. If payment is made within 10 days, charge will be reduced to £30. To pay by CC, telephone 08452303082, you can also pay online at www.townandcityparking.co.uk and follow the payment instructions. Alternatively send a cheque or postal order made payable to Town and City Parking Ltd together with this notice to Town and City Parking Ltd, 5 South Inch Business Centre, Shore Road, Perth PH2 8BW. If a receipt is required, please supply a stamped addressed envelope.

Appeals, all appleals must be made in writing to the address above. Adjudications cannot be made over the telephone.

Contravention code was B, failure to show a ticket, time was 12.00, first seen also 12.00.

Tilt

Its a un-enforceble invoice they have 'issued' you. Ignore it.

You will get a series of 'threat-o-grams' designed to itimidate you into paying but they can do nothing without taking you to court. They won't do that because a private company cannot recover a fine or penalty under current laws... thay can only recover 'losses or damages' so their 'charge' would need to be proportinate to convice a judge thatit wasn't a penalty. I don't think £60 would be considered to be proportinate.

sumeet

Tilt wrote: »

Its a un-enforceble invoice they have 'issued' you. Ignore it.

You will get a series of 'threat-o-grams' designed to itimidate you into paying but they can do nothing without taking you to court. They won't do that because a private company cannot recover a fine or penalty under current laws... thay can only recover 'losses or damages' so their 'charge' would need to be proportinate to convice a judge thatit wasn't a penalty. I don't think £60 would be considered to be proportinate.

Thanks, only problem is that's its a company car so they will send letters to my employer. Just wondering to write in appeal and quote my address so they don't bother my employer, what do you think? Any grounds I can appeal on?

HO87

sumeet wrote: »

Thanks, only problem is that's its a company car so they will send letters to my employer. Just wondering to write in appeal and quote my address so they don't bother my employer, what do you think? Any grounds I can appeal on?

I think you are taking this far too seriously, understandably but you nevertheless need to chill a little. You have broken no law and no private company has the authority to levy fines on anybody else. Their "tickets" are actually invoices but they are cynically and deliberately designed - just like their letters are - to fool you into believing that they are backed by the force of law in the same way as a parking ticket from the police or a council are. They are not.

Do not waste your time writing an appeal. The advice was and remains - ignore them. Besides, there is no appeals process its simply a mechanism that private parking companies use to obtain further information from their dupes - in particular who was driving. This is quite crucial to them as if they were ever to issue proceedings in a court they can only do so against the driver, not the registered keeper.

You would be better drafting a memo to your company fleet manager telling him to direct any enquiries from Town & City to you - ensuring that he doesn't tell them who was driving. Refer him to this Fleet News article which will explain the situation to him.

Oopsadaisy

sumeet wrote: »

Thanks for replies so far, just to add more details, it's issued by Town & City Parking Ltd, Reg. no. SC138255.

Under Payment details are instructions, A PARKING CHARGE OF £60 IS NOW DUE. If payment is made within 10 days, charge will be reduced to £30. To pay by CC, telephone 08452303082, you can also pay online at www.townandcityparking.co.uk and follow the payment instructions. Alternatively send a cheque or postal order made payable to Town and City Parking Ltd together with this notice to Town and City Parking Ltd, 5 South Inch Business Centre, Shore Road, Perth PH2 8BW. If a receipt is required, please supply a stamped addressed envelope.

Appeals, all appleals must be made in writing to the address above. Adjudications cannot be made over the telephone.

Contravention code was B, failure to show a ticket, time was 12.00, first seen also 12.00.

Why are you bothering to 'add more details'....we don't need or care about them.

If it's private, ignore....er, that's it.

If it's private, ignore....er, that's it.

If it's private, ignore....er, that's it.

If it's private, ignore....er, that's it.

If it's private, ignore....er, that's it.

If it's private, ignore....er, that's it.

If it's private, ignore....er, that's it.

sumeet

According to our man in our company who receives these fines, they did ignore a batch of them after previously having paid them and did get taken to court on a few of them which they lost whilst others have not heard back so is not quite as simple as saying just ignore.

trisontana

sumeet wrote: »

According to our man in our company who receives these fines, they did ignore a batch of them after previously having paid them and did get taken to court on a few of them which they lost whilst others have not heard back so is not quite as simple as saying just ignore.

Details please. And BTW there weren't FINES!!