Tube Drivers get £50k Deal.

pimento

£50k is nothing if you live in London.

We should be asking why the rest of us don't also earn £50k.

I wish Bob Crowe would get involved in our wage negotiations.

Running_Horse

Does London lack immigrants willing and able to work for less?

chewmylegoff

kabayiri wrote: »

How does the income of a tube driver compare to a driver of a train in the other European cities?

I can't imagine the role be that different between them all ?

£35,000 for Paris, a couple of years ago, according to this somewhat relevant article.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23733134-paris-is-heading-towards-a-driverless-strike-free-and-super-punctual-metro-so-why-isnt-london-interested.do

worldtraveller

ILW wrote: »

It may be a step closer to driverless trains.

Roll on that day, I say!

Going4TheDream

Is this £50k basic or is this a circa £35k job with a heck of a lot of shift allowances? I feel kinda silly now laughing at my neighbour when we were kids as he wanted to be a train driver, especially as he went to to actually become one!

chewmylegoff

pimento wrote: »

£50k is nothing if you live in London.

We should be asking why the rest of us don't also earn £50k.

I wish Bob Crowe would get involved in our wage negotiations.

it is still well above the average wage for london.

the reason "the rest of us", don't also earn £50k is because you don't have relevant skills and experience (or strike threat) which an employer is prepared to pay you £50k for.

bob crowe would be entirely useless in any normal negotiations where he didn't have the leverage that a strike would bring the whole capital to a half. hence train drivers in the SE who do not work on the underground are not paid £50k or even close to it.

the pay of a train driver in the SE and a tube driver should theoretically be about the same, perhaps with a bit extra for having to be underground all day. however, because the train companies only serve a certain sector of the commuter belt, they don't have the same ability to completely screw the capital in coordinated strike action, they have less bargaining power and are therefore paid less.

chewmylegoff

Going4TheDream wrote: »

Is this £50k basic or is this a circa £35k job with a heck of a lot of shift allowances? I feel kinda silly now laughing at my neighbour when we were kids as he wanted to be a train driver, especially as he went to to actually become one!

it is £42k now rising to an estimated £52k in about 4 years time through a 5% payrise this year plus a series of RPI linked payrises in the future, for doing a 35 hour week with no overtime (i think it is the case that they are not allowed to work any overtime).

crazyguy

The training involved to become a Tube driver is approx 5 years with ongoing training through out your working life, and you cannot have these un manned for the simple reasons one being the billions involved to replace the whole existing track and trains, the second part is computers fail signals fail and if it was un manned then goodnight train and all the people on it, the drivers have to sit for 8 hour shifts and watch and concentrate on every little thing from signal changes to train faults.

For the Olympic trains the applications that went in to become train drivers were approx 20.000 or so and that list got dwindled down to just 20 through the work involved to actualy become a train driver it involves a lot of concentration.

IronWolf

We need another Thatcher to break these unions

chewmylegoff

crazyguy wrote: »

The training involved to become a Tube driver is approx 5 years with ongoing training through out your working life, and you cannot have these un manned for the simple reasons one being the billions involved to replace the whole existing track and trains, the second part is computers fail signals fail and if it was un manned then goodnight train and all the people on it, the drivers have to sit for 8 hour shifts and watch and concentrate on every little thing from signal changes to train faults.

except that there are plenty of driverless trains already in operation successfully on underground/metro networks elsewhere around the world, and in london of course on the DLR, and it doesn't seem to have resulted in everyone dying.

so your assertion that "you cannot have these unmanned" isn't actually true, is it?