Petrol Prices Revisited!

Pocket_the_lot

pgilc1 wrote: »

Nothing we can do about the price, but you can do lots about your fossil fuel usage.

Well from what I have observed the less that we use (including utilities) the more they charge. It seems that the income level has to be maintained no matter what.

grizzly1911

Pocket_the_lot wrote: »

Well from what I have observed the less that we use (including utilities) the more they charge. It seems that the income level has to be maintained no matter what.

Or the fact that a new Land Rover Factory is being built and the new Mersey Gateway Bridge is being financed/built seems to suggest imminent shortages are unlikely.

I wonder just how far off alternative fuels really are or if it suits the illuminati to keep things scarce and prices high.

grizzly1911

Hammyman wrote: »

Why should those in rural areas be charged more? We get charged more in our town yet it is half the mileage from the refinery than it is to Sheffield.

I think Lee answered that one - less volume to provide sufficient to cover overhead.

On holiday in the summer it was cheaper in rural mid Wales, miles from anywhere, than it is at my local one, 250 yards of the Motorway.

Pocket_the_lot

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Originally Posted by Pocket_the_lot
Well from what I have observed the less that we use (including utilities) the more they charge. It seems that the income level has to be maintained no matter what.

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Or the fact that a new Land Rover Factory is being built and the new Mersey Gateway Bridge is being financed/built seems to suggest imminent shortages are unlikely.

I wonder just how far off alternative fuels really are or if it suits the illuminati to keep things scarce and prices high.

Well besides more careful use of energy by us, (collectively), aren't we supposed to be in a recession.
That equates to less manufacturing which in turn will mean less transportation of goods as well.


Manufacturers are now making noises about their increased energy bills, especially for energy intensive processes, which in turn is making their businesses less viable and may either have to call it a day or move abroad.


When it was mentioned that the proposed increase of speed limit to 80 mph on Motorways would be good for the economy I failed to understand the logic and wondered if at last my age was catching up with me.


1).Has the government now put aside their Green Agenda now that green taxes have been safely, and stealthily, installed into the purchase of all forms of energy?


2).Every body knows that increased speed reduces fuel economy and thus in turn produces more green house gasses, don't we? Well I have always thought that we have been had over the green agenda any way.


However several weeks ago I did find out how driving at such a speed hit my pocket because even though my car has been fitted with a new starter motor, clutch,and flywheel recently resulting in about 20% efficiency in suburban driving conditions that jaunt to London on the M4 at 80mph and a bit more resulted in a 50% increase in the cost of the journey since the last time I made that trip several years ago. This must be a combination of several factors: reduced fuel economy, increased price of crude, no doubt as a result of speculation and the addition of green taxes on top of existing tax and VAT.


So I shan't be doing that again soon, and especially because some drivers sat on my tail as if they were on a Sunday run down pleasant country lanes.

technopersia

johnnyroper wrote: »

The same cannot be said for across the pond,i was in florida last couple of weeks and there was a big piece on NBC or whatever the channel was about the price of "gas"coming down as the cost of crude is falling lately.

when i was there cheapest i paid for regular unleaded was $3.31 a gallon,so not only is it cheaper over there to start with the benefits are past on when the cost to make the stuff falls.

cannot blame our gov this time its a case of oil companies keeping our prices high to subsidise the people across the pond i reckon?

The US Petrol Prices are following the oil prices because of the large decline in the price of WTI which is currently in abundance due to the bottle neck in Cushing, OK. While the British petrol prices are set by Brent and also many ME and Russian Crudes.

technopersia

Pocket_the_lot wrote: »

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pocket_the_lot
Well from what I have observed the less that we use (including utilities) the more they charge. It seems that the income level has to be maintained no matter what.






Well besides more careful use of energy by us, (collectively), aren't we supposed to be in a recession.
That equates to less manufacturing which in turn will mean less transportation of goods as well.


Manufacturers are now making noises about their increased energy bills, especially for energy intensive processes, which in turn is making their businesses less viable and may either have to call it a day or move abroad.


When it was mentioned that the proposed increase of speed limit to 80 mph on Motorways would be good for the economy I failed to understand the logic and wondered if at last my age was catching up with me.


1).Has the government now put aside their Green Agenda now that green taxes have been safely, and stealthily, installed into the purchase of all forms of energy?


2).Every body knows that increased speed reduces fuel economy and thus in turn produces more green house gasses, don't we? Well I have always thought that we have been had over the green agenda any way.


However several weeks ago I did find out how driving at such a speed hit my pocket because even though my car has been fitted with a new starter motor, clutch,and flywheel recently resulting in about 20% efficiency in suburban driving conditions that jaunt to London on the M4 at 80mph and a bit more resulted in a 50% increase in the cost of the journey since the last time I made that trip several years ago. This must be a combination of several factors: reduced fuel economy, increased price of crude, no doubt as a result of speculation and the addition of green taxes on top of existing tax and VAT.


So I shan't be doing that again soon, and especially because some drivers sat on my tail as if they were on a Sunday run down pleasant country lanes.

The Motorway speed limit is for safety not fuel economy. Please note the is no min speed on British motorways.

technopersia

Paradigm wrote: »

Or, to put it another way, selling petrol subsidises all the above costs.

Refining oil to extract the many other products (tars, plastics, oils etc) is where the oil co's make their billions! But the refining process will also produce a waste product....petrol. It can't be avoided.

This stuff has very few (if any?) legitimate uses & used to be dumped until some bright spark invented the internal combustion engine. Instead of having to get rid of it, they could now charge us to get rid of it for them...perfect

In reality they could give it away for free & still make billions!!

Just to go off on a tangent.... the development of greener, cheap alternatives to petrol would be a disaster for every oil company, we would all switch. Oil would still have to be refined but how would they dispose of the useless waste, petrol? It would cost them an absolute fortune to get rid of the millions of litres produced daily. Makes me wonder why alternatives are so slow in appearing??

In essence, we are paying through the nose to do the dirty job the Oil co's couldn't possibly afford to do..... get rid of petrol.

Oil Companies make their Billions on extraction and sell of Crude by the bbd, Refining profit margins are extremly small, hence many big players such as exxon, concophilips, Total, chevron have sold many of their refineries and split their down and upstream devisions. The only company that refuses to do so have been Shell.

Petrol, waste product?

The purpose of most refineries is to produce the 3 golden products, Gasolin, Gasoil and Kerosine, now the quality and quantity differs on the market they supply, but thats where they make their money, everything else is a bonus, but all efferts are made to keep production of the trio product at its maximum at all times.

grizzly1911

Notice on the news tonight that a new high speed link is being proposed (£5bn?) between Heathrow/Gatwick so another pointer to increased air travel again suggesting taht major oil production slow down is decades away.

I don't really understand the Motorway speed increase being better for commerce. Might help the Bosses and Reps wizz around a bit more but isn't freight regulated to 56mph in theory.

I have been on two Motorway Journeys in the last week that were a joy, one at 06:00 on a Sunday morning and the other Midday mid week. Unfortunately the return journeys were diabolical and 60 was impossible let alone 80.

Interesting that many stretches these days they have variable limits that come down to make the flow better.

I'm with Pocket the lot - Green Issues have been used as a frightener to justify tax increases in the same way that terrorism is used to justify "defence" spending.

SHIPSHAPE

technopersia wrote: »

The Motorway speed limit is for safety not fuel economy. Please note the is no min speed on British motorways.

Although one can be booked for driving too slowly on a motorway.

yorks808

petrol has only gone down by 1p/litre in my area in the past week when the crude oil price has gone down by about $12/barrell...doesnt really reflect in the price of petrol that like.