were do i stand?

pendulum

It sounds like there was diesel on the road for so many cars to skid. If the police had already been out earlier in the morning to attend an accident, and left the road still in a dangerous condition, then you may actually be able to reclaim any costs you incur because they have been negligent.

As for whether a claim can be made against you - yes, it can, and I'd imagine it will.

martinthebandit

pendulum wrote: »

It sounds like there was diesel on the road for so many cars to skid. If the police had already been out earlier in the morning to attend an accident, and left the road still in a dangerous condition, then you may actually be able to reclaim any costs you incur because they have been negligent.

As for whether a claim can be made against you - yes, it can, and I'd imagine it will.

Many years ago, when I was based at a fire station covering the M1/M6 junction, we knew that as soon as it rained after a dry spell that we would be out on the motorway chopping cars up to get people out.

During a dry spell a nice even film of rubber etc is laid down then, when it rains, the water sits on top of road instead of draining down into it.

Its natures skid pan :-P

robbies_gal

i would have made sure i got the officers number who said they had attened an accident that morning and left the road in the state that it was

how stupid not to have dealt with it at the time

pauletruth

even if you can get it down as a no fault they are still going to increase your premium. be glad that no one was hurt but you should get the details of the other accident from the police it could help prove that its not your fault. its why you have insurance for so don't get worked up over it.

harveybobbles

OP - you could argue that you wouldn't have hit his car if the other car hadn't spun. Find out of there is a CCTV camera for that roundabout to see how long the other car was parked up before you hit it, as he could have had time to move it into a safer place and avoid someone running into him.

A friend of mine spun on the corner near our house in the snow last year. They phoned me to ask me to bring a trolly jack out as they had slid into the kerb and buckled their front wheel - when I got there someone else was skidding towards them and slid into them.

After seeing the damage to my friends wheel I would have personally moved the car out of the way as it was on an icey corner, rather than spending 45 seconds on the phone to me to get my trolly jack out and trundle outside with it.

bigjl.

webbie1988 wrote: »

yes the other car was stationary as he had already spun in the same place i did and buckled all his front wheel, i had my 2 children in with me and can assure you i was driving to a very suitable manner for the conditions always have been a careful driver and always will be and i didnt drive my car into his i spun and my back end hit his

Er sorry, but you weren't. You wouldn't have crashed if you were.;)

Strider590

bigjl. wrote: »

Er sorry, but you weren't. You wouldn't have crashed if you were.;)

I think OP should have said "can assure you i was driving to a very suitable manner for the perceived conditions".

It comes down to hazard perception, some people have it, some people don't, there's nothing anybody can do about that.

How many people see/dodge pot holes? How many people would notice the slight rainbow coloured effect of diesel down on the road surface? How many people understand and react to the "feel" of the car/vehicle, the level of grip and the tell tale feeling in the seat of your pants when the front/back lets go?

Sure as hell most bikers do, but your average Jo driving to the shop in their living room on wheels? I strongly doubt it....

Keith

You'd be liable for his PI claim... A spin doesn't cause whiplash.

Wh05apk

harveybobbles wrote: »

OP - you could argue that you wouldn't have hit his car if the other car hadn't spun. Find out of there is a CCTV camera for that roundabout to see how long the other car was parked up before you hit it, as he could have had time to move it into a safer place and avoid someone running into him.
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You could argue all day long, at the end of the day, the OP was clearly going too fast for the conditions, yes it was a slippery road, but so what? unless you could proove there was a fault with the surface or diesel etc which had been reported but not cleared up then I can't see the blame lies with anyone else, ok there was a stationary car in the road, but how would that have been different to stationary traffic in a queue? Sounds like too fast for the conditions (or possibly defective tyres on the OP's car?)

mikey72

Strider590 wrote: »

..........It comes down to hazard perception, some people have it, some people don't, there's nothing anybody can do about that.....

Very true.
The worst driver are those that claim to have it 100% though. Then there really is nothing anyone can do.