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The Benefits System

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  • leveller2911
    leveller2911 Posts: 8,061 Forumite
    edited 1 October 2011 at 6:06PM
    jamespir wrote: »
    ok so youve been working for bae then for 30 years of your life you lose your job do you think the first thing on your mind is to make furniture or do you think they would have the know how of how to set up a business

    im in the process of setting up a social enterprise and its not easy and takes time

    so where is the ,money gonna come from in between times


    30 years with BAE would mean a fair redundancy package.......I would imagine setting up a Social enterprise would need far more box ticking and form filling than starting up a small business.......

    To set up a business(self employed) you only need to notify HMRC ,open a bank account and find the work.

    When I started in business we didn't have the internet(something like 75% of households have internet access) to carry out research, find suppliers etc so IMO its actually easier now than 25 years ago
  • Jimmy_31
    Jimmy_31 Posts: 2,170 Forumite
    I agree and this is slightly off topic but I saw this today in the Mail (ok groan) but it appears that Europe now wants us to give benefits to all EU people who come here without hesitation as the rules we currently have apparently break their Human rights if we dont. It would seem to have upset many countries in Europe too who could be next ...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043932/Revolt-EU-benefits-diktat-12-nations-join-UK-fight-curb-welfare-tourism-free-all.html

    Oh i can certainly see a revolt if this comes in.
  • hallmark
    hallmark Posts: 1,480 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    darkpool wrote: »
    so what about all those people making jet fighters for BAE? 3000 of them are getting made redundant and you think they should start assembling IKEA cupboards? Or they should buy a bucket and start a window cleaning round?

    Are you a taxi driver? I normally find people that talk as much garbish as you are taxi drivers.

    Nothing wrong with assembling furniture, cleaning windows or driving taxis, all useful functions in society. Arguably a lot more useful than manufacturing weapons.

    pqrdef wrote: »
    Well I'm sorry if the real world is more boring than your fantasy blah blah blah blah

    OK so you are a boring troll, thought so.

    jamespir wrote: »
    ok so youve been working for bae then for 30 years of your life you lose your job do you think the first thing on your mind is to make furniture or do you think they would have the know how of how to set up a business

    im in the process of setting up a social enterprise and its not easy and takes time

    so where is the ,money gonna come from in between times

    Not sure what point you're making exactly, but if your saying you should be entitled to live off benefits while you set up a "social enterprise" then I disagree. I've setup businesses & supported myself while doing so. If you're saying something else then I didn't understand what you were saying.
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    DirtyDick wrote: »
    Others could do any other manual labour for the community; given the squeeze on council funds, provides an additional source of labour.
    Using the unemployed as a source of cheap labour is a circle that's been gone round many times in the last 400 years, most recently as Youth Opportunities and Work Experience.

    Usually it ends up with a bad reputation. After all, it's not that far removed from legalised slavery.

    It's true that if governments could do joined-up thinking, the saving in benefits could be set against the cost of employing more people.
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
  • chris_m
    chris_m Posts: 8,250 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    I agree and this is slightly off topic but I saw this today in the Mail (ok groan) but it appears that Europe now wants us to give benefits to all EU people who come here without hesitation as the rules we currently have apparently break their Human rights if we dont. It would seem to have upset many countries in Europe too who could be next ...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043932/Revolt-EU-benefits-diktat-12-nations-join-UK-fight-curb-welfare-tourism-free-all.html

    Good heavens, support for Britain from both France AND Germany?
    Wonders will never cease.
  • hallmark
    hallmark Posts: 1,480 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    hallmark wrote: »
    That's much too sensible a suggestion, someone will be along shortly to give you a list of reasons why it can't be done.

    pqrdef wrote: »
    Using the unemployed as a source of cheap labour is a circle that's been gone round many times in the last 400 years, most recently as Youth Opportunities and Work Experience.

    Usually it ends up with a bad reputation. After all, it's not that far removed from legalised slavery.


    :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    hallmark wrote: »
    OK so you are a boring troll, thought so.
    And people keep moaning about the Greeks with their huge budget deficit because people live in the black economy and don't pay taxes etc. But you seem to want this country to go the same way. When we've done casualising everything, will we deserve the same fate?
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
  • pqrdef wrote: »
    Using the unemployed as a source of cheap labour is a circle that's been gone round many times in the last 400 years, most recently as Youth Opportunities and Work Experience.

    Usually it ends up with a bad reputation. After all, it's not that far removed from legalised slavery.


    It's true that if governments could do joined-up thinking, the saving in benefits could be set against the cost of employing more people.

    In the context of the full post it was suggested that they do one day a week for maybe 8 hrs. Considering that a large majority of claimants likely claim HB and council tax credit along side their JSA, I hardly see this as slave labour if they work one day a week for their combined benefits of say approx £150 (nett)? As some claimants may have partners and children I would suspect that this would be an even higher amount... I am sure there are many workers who would be happy to work for £150 a day and not their minimum wage.
    Dont wait for your boat to come in 'Swim out and meet the bloody thing' ;)
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    hallmark wrote: »
    :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
    Yet another failure to produce an actual argument. That's several on the trot now.
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
  • hallmark
    hallmark Posts: 1,480 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper Combo Breaker
    The only person talking about the black economy in this thread is you, boring troll.

    I've cited examples of people I know running successful legitimate businesses & you've randomly started going on ad nauseum about all the laws & regulations YOU insist they must be breaking, even though you know nothing about them.

    Presumably this is because you're desparate to try to prove you're right & that it's impossible for anyone to start a business. Despite the fact that it clearly isn't.

    It's perfectly possible to run a business & adhere to regulations, even in this climate. You should try it.
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