The Benefits System

Jimmy_31

tescobabe69 wrote: »

Chips and egg, luxury, I may have that for my tea, mmmmmmmmmmm.
would it be too ostentacious to add brown sauce ?

Whoa hang on it aint crimbo yet:)

custardy

hallmark wrote: »

- Get one of the hundreds of thousands of available jobs

- Start your own business. Nothing whatsoever stopping anyone starting a business & living off it. You can make a viable living doing gardening for people if you actually WANT to work, you don't even need skills. That's just one example, there are endless others. I know people who make decent money dog-walking. Enough to live off. Countless COUNTLESS opportunities in the UK.

- Lots of ways to make money on the Internet. One of my brothers makes lots buying & selling on ebay. All it required was for him to make the effort to research certain items & identify which ones could be bought & sold profitably.


I could walk out my house now with a bucket & sponge offering to clean people's cars & make money. And I'd do that a million times over before I'd put my hand out for benefits.


But like I'd say, all the above requires people to actually make some effort. Unfortunately there are plenty of leeches who prefer to live off the industry of others & plenty of other people prepared to leap to their defence in spite of all reason.

100s of 000's jobs
for 1.5+ million unemployed

yes you can open a business but if you have little money before you lose that job.
where does the stock,commodity come from?

selling on eBay. i know it well
however its not the moneymaker many seem to think it is in small numbers and highly competitive

so according to you anyone who is out of work is a leech?

Jimmy_31

mirry wrote: »

I think its clear something has to be done ,
when I go shopping I see some single mums well known in my area,
in the nail bar having there nails done and they are always smoking.

When I pop into my local newsagents in the morning they have their many kids with them, telling them to choose anything they want for lunch , so the kids choose a chocolate bar , crisps, bottle of coke @ £3 a head. And then the mother buys more ciggys, and some lottery scratch cards!!!

AND theres me trying to find some bargains to feed my family, and we are a working family. Its a flippin joke.

obviously we dont want people to suffer but luxurys should be earnt
surely ? If I was in the same situation I would hope to have my basic needs provided , and that is all.

Do what i do, everytime one of the spongers on my estate is stood outside the shop furiously scratching a scratchcard in the hope of winning more free money, i always ask......Did WE win.

I usually get told what do you mean DID WE WIN, so i say well i bought the f**king thing for you so you could at least go halfers:)

All i am seeing everywhere i go is the working population getting to the end of their tether, i wonder where it will all end eh?

hallmark

custardy wrote: »

100s of 000's jobs
for 1.5+ million unemployed

yes you can open a business but if you have little money before you lose that job.
where does the stock,commodity come from?

selling on eBay. i know it well
however its not the moneymaker many seem to think it is in small numbers and highly competitive

so according to you anyone who is out of work is a leech?

You've just demostrated admirably the attitude of most people. Quick to think of all the reasons no to try.

You keep saying there are more unemployed people than jobs - but since all those millions of unemployed people aren't taking the hundreds of thousands of available jobs the fact is there ARE lots of jobs around. Just not nice easy hugely well paying jobs. Which is why people would rather sit around & collect their free money each week.

so ebay is highly competetive - so what. That doesn't mean it's not possible, it just means you need to make an EFFORT.

And yes, anyone who is able-bodied, out of work & on benefits is a leech. Anyone with any self-respect would deliver leaflets before they'd choose to live off work of the rest of the population.

custardy

hallmark wrote: »

You've just demostrated admirably the attitude of most people. Quick to think of all the reasons no to try.

You keep saying there are more unemployed people than jobs - but since all those millions of unemployed people aren't taking the hundreds of thousands of available jobs the fact is there ARE lots of jobs around. Just not nice easy hugely well paying jobs. Which is why people would rather sit around & collect their free money each week.

so ebay is highly competetive - so what. That doesn't mean it's not possible, it just means you need to make an EFFORT.

And yes, anyone who is able-bodied, out of work & on benefits is a leech. Anyone with any self-respect would deliver leaflets before they'd choose to live off work of the rest of the population.

an effort is fine
where would you suggest the people get the stock?
its clear to me you live in a bubble
you are talking to someone who works FT and runs a small sideline
however I have the ability to see outside my little bubble

Andrew1975

hallmark wrote: »

Give benefits to the old & the genuinely ill.

Let everyone else work or starve.

I'm not joking. Implement that tomorrow & I guarantee not one person would starve.

id be more worried about which !!!!!! was going to stab me in the back next

hallmark

custardy wrote: »

an effort is fine
where would you suggest the people get the stock?
its clear to me you live in a bubble
you are talking to someone who works FT and runs a small sideline
however I have the ability to see outside my little bubble

lol where would you get the stock.

wash cars & tidy gardens. The "stock" is a bucket, a sponge & a pair of clippers. Should set you back about a tenner.

as for me living in a bubble lol - just because YOU think it's far too hard to make a living unless some nice kind multinational (or the public sector) comes along & offers you a hugely wellpaying job, don't extrapolate that pathetic attitude onto the rest of us. I've been unemployed. Guess what, I didn't claim benefits even though I could have. I'd rather puke. Get some marketable skills & work for a living, everyone can if they try.

jamespir

hallmark wrote: »

Give benefits to the old & the genuinely ill.

Let everyone else work or starve.

I'm not joking. Implement that tomorrow & I guarantee not one person would starve.

yeah great idea lets implement national poverty which will lead to evictions rise in crime and rise in deaths

some people really need to think about what they are saying

J_i_m

The welfare system definitely isn't ideal and there are plenty who abuse it. Yet we do have to be careful in the way we do things. Harsher methods to restrict certain groups benefit would likely be met by increases in crime, which is bad for everybody and the social exclusion created by a stricter system could only serve to escalate a bad situation.

There are some injustices for sure. I work in a secure mental health hospital where there are long term patients who are getting £100's a week, bus passes etc. Yet since their accommodation and food and household expenses are already coverd by the tax payer the benefits they receive on top of this are effectively free pocket money and I can assure you it's spent on regular shopping sprees for expensive branded clothes and trainers, DVD, computer games and of course cigarettes. Now I'm not suggesting that these people shouldn't have some comforts, yet whilst this kind of thing is going on we have old age pensioners freezing and starving to death because they can't afford to pay their bills or single parents in genuine hardship, it's then that the distrinution of benefit does start to look flawed.

A voucher system may seem taking people's dignity away.. However in severe cases where people are effectively defrauding the system to use their benefits on luxaries whilst other vital bills get overlooked some system to take the control of the money could prove to be effective.

Removing opportunities to abuse the system should be the best way to save money or at least mean that's properly distributed to where it is genuinely needed.

Andrew1975

J_i_m wrote: »

The welfare system definitely isn't ideal and there are plenty who abuse it. Yet we do have to be careful in the way we do things. Harsher methods to restrict certain groups benefit would likely be met by increases in crime, which is bad for everybody and the social exclusion created by a stricter system could only serve to escalate a bad situation.

There are some injustices for sure. I work in a secure mental health hospital where there are long term patients who are getting £100's a week, bus passes etc. Yet since their accommodation and food and household expenses are already coverd by the tax payer the benefits they receive on top of this are effectively free pocket money and I can assure you it's spent on regular shopping sprees for expensive branded clothes and trainers, DVD, computer games and of course cigarettes. Now I'm not suggesting that these people shouldn't have some comforts, yet whilst this kind of thing is going on we have old age pensioners freezing and starving to death because they can't afford to pay their bills or single parents in genuine hardship, it's then that the distrinution of benefit does start to look flawed.

A voucher system may seem taking people's dignity away.. However in severe cases where people are effectively defrauding the system to use their benefits on luxaries whilst other vital bills get overlooked some system to take the control of the money could prove to be effective.

Removing opportunities to abuse the system should be the best way to save money or at least mean that's properly distributed to where it is genuinely needed.

dont be ridiculous