Gas hob installation Currys/Comet/John Lewis

ac2011

Hi

We are thinking of replacing our 11 year old gas hob with a newer model.

All the above retailer quote £85-£90 for the installation.

Does any member have any experiences good/bad by the service offered by these installers used by these retailers?

Do you think that it would be better to approach an independent gas engineer?

Thanks

matthorp

Personally, I would use John Lewis everytime. Their customer service is excellent as is their aftersales. (I don't work for them, or have any association with them other than as a customer!)

silvercar

If that price includes making any adjustments necessary to the hole in the worktop for the hob to fit, I would definitely take up their offer.

Meepster

shaun is perfectly correct in his answer. Any competent person can install a gas hob, or any other gas appliance. The law regarding this is pretty clear.

However the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998, Regulation 26(9) state that:

Where a person performs work on a gas appliance he shall immediately thereafter examine -
(a) the effectiveness of any flue;
(b) the supply of combustion air;
(c) its operating pressure or heat input or, where necessary, both;
(d) its operation so as to ensure its safe functioning,
and forthwith take all reasonably practicable steps to notify any defect to the responsible person and, where different, the owner of the premises in which the appliance is situated or, where neither is reasonably practicable, in the case of an appliance supplied with liquefied petroleum gas, the supplier of gas to the appliance, or, in any other case, the transporter.

Which effectively means that if you install your own appliance, you cannot use it, until it has been checked by a Gas Safe registered installer.

After performing work on an installed appliance, installers should carry
out the necessary checks and tests to ensure that the appliance, and any
associated flue, is safe for use. Requirements in Appendix 1 should be met,
as applicable, and reference made to appropriate standards.

Hope that clears everything up? More info here:

http://www.hseni.gov.uk/l56_safety_in_the_installation_and_use_of_gas_systems_and_appliances.pdf

shaun_from_Africa

Meepster, you forgot to add the next paragraph

(10) Paragraph (9) shall not apply in respect of—

(a)the direct disconnection of the gas supply of a gas appliance; or

(b)the purging of gas or air from an appliance or its associated pipework or fittings in any case where that purging does not adversely affect the safety of that appliance, pipe or fitting.

So providing that you are only dosconnecting and reconnecting the gas supply (which is all that I have stated can be carried out), then there is no need for a gas safe inspection.

Meepster

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

Meepster, you forgot to add the next paragraph



So providing that you are only dosconnecting and reconnecting the gas supply (which is all that I have stated can be carried out), then there is no need for a gas safe inspection.

No, that only applies if it is being disconnected and NOT reconnected.

shaun_from_Africa

No, that only applies if it is being disconnected and NOT reconnected.

Totally incorrect.
If you want to confirm this, contact the Health and safety executive (there are offices around the UK). This is the gov't department who will prosecute for breeches of the gas safety regulations.
Why would it only apply to disconnecting gas? If done incorrectly, this is just as dangerous as connecting an appliance.

I disconnected and reconnected a hob when replacing a kitchen worktop and this involved removing and refitting ,I contacted the HSE and was told that although they didn't advise me doing it, I was breaking no law in doing so.

This is why section 10d also refers to purging the air from systems. You can disconnect it, remove any air and reconnect an appliance without needing an inspection. In fact, why would you want to purge a gas pipe if you were not reconnecting anything?

http://www.hse.gov.uk/consult/disdocs/dde14b.pdf

"While current law does not prohibit DIY gas work provided the person is competent to do it safely, DIY is strongly discouraged in HSE guidance"

Thrifter_2

average price for this is £40 in west midlands.

Meepster

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

This is why section 10d also refers to purging the air from systems. You can disconnect it, remove any air and reconnect an appliance without needing an inspection. In fact, why would you want to purge a gas pipe if you were not reconnecting anything?

http://www.hse.gov.uk/consult/disdocs/dde14b.pdf

Sorry, I should have been clearer. You can happily disconnect and reconnect the SAME appliance, without the need to consult a Gas Safe registered engineer.

However if you are installing a NEW appliance, it does need to be checked by a duly qualified person.

And the link you provided is referring to the regulations as they were in 1991, it doesn't take into account the changes made in 1998 or any ammendments made since. The fact it still refers to CORGI is proof enough it is out of date...

ormus

afaik, the term "competent person" has not been clarified in common law/by any court case.
as an engineer, i consider myself competent to install a bloody gas hob. flexi pipe or not.

phill99

The whole of this post os now ridiculous. The OP asked wheteher we think it appropriate to get John Lewis to install her gas hob.

This has now transcended into discussion of what a competent person is and paragraph 10 does or doesn't say, and worse than that there has been encouragment for unqualified homeowners to have a go at DIY gas installation. Regardless of the legislation, it is unacceptable to encourage people to do this and some of you are acting arrogantly and exceedingly irresponsibly. You should be totally ashamed of youselves.

OP: just get John Lewis to do it.