MSE News: 900,000 to get minimum pay rise

gadgetmind

2sides2everystory wrote: »

You will admit no doubt to seeing tail to tail white vans in the fast lanes of motorways at the beginnings and ends of each day?

As with banks (and Asda and other supermarkets FWIW) I'm afraid that I'm far from a regular motorway user, or even car driver, but the vast majority of white vans I pass on my bicycle seem to only have 1-2 occupants.

It kind of shows that the whole paper is skewed to a point of view doesn't it?

As I'm not sure what point of view you think it might be skewed towards, I find it hard to agree.

But you did read it, this too I'll bet

I felt it only polite.

CapJ

2sides2everystory wrote: »

I know, and think we may have to agree to differ.

You may differ all you like but I think gadgetmind has posted pretty good evidence that only 4% of the population is on the minimum wage.

Still only represents a large chunk of people. I wonder how many will be losing their jobs due to this rise? It is a tragedy.

2sides2everystory

Gadgetmind lives and works in an ivory tower - he as good as says so.

The rise is a tragedy?? ... an extra 4p an hour for 16 and 17 year olds working in SportsDirect.com ?

What on earth are you trying to sell here?

gadgetmind

2sides2everystory wrote: »

Gadgetmind lives and works in an ivory tower

I have worked 48 hour weeks (PLUS overtime) on catering industry minimum wage and have the pay packets to prove it. Do you?

gadgetmind

CapJ wrote: »

I think gadgetmind has posted pretty good evidence that only 4% of the population is on the minimum wage.

And only 2.5% of adults. In other words, 97.5% of adults have the skills to let them earn more than the minimum wage.

Rather than concentrating on the level of minimum wage, why don't we concentrate on how to let people skill-up and earn more?

2sides2everystory

gadgetmind wrote: »

I have worked 48 hour weeks (PLUS overtime) on catering industry minimum wage and have the pay packets to prove it. Do you?

No, my first low pay experience was at the agricultural minimum for a while and 60 and 70 hour weeks a bit like the hours I suspect those I see at four in the morning catching buses are doing. I know their tiredness. I have other low pay experiences in three completely different industries with payslips to prove those too ... unfortunately for me they have been in the latter part of my working life and as for your throwaway word "upskilling" I do not think you have a clue what you mean unless you are referring to ESoL and Microsoft Office courses for migrants to help them go from £6 to £9 per hour in this disgustingly exploitative major developed economy labour market.

scooby088

How many jobs which traditionally pay more than minimum wage will now be set at the new rate?

gadgetmind

2sides2everystory wrote: »

as for your throwaway word "upskilling" I do not think you have a clue what you mean

You may not, but I do. That's because I've been there, done that, and have the t-shirt.

unfortunately for me they have been in the latter part of my working life

Fortunately they were for me (as for most people) in the early part of my working life, which gave me the insight and drive to upskill and change my value.

unless you are referring to ESoL and Microsoft Office courses

Nope, far from it.

CapJ

gadgetmind wrote: »

And only 2.5% of adults. In other words, 97.5% of adults have the skills to let them earn more than the minimum wage.

Rather than concentrating on the level of minimum wage, why don't we concentrate on how to let people skill-up and earn more?

Because it is much easier to ignore evidence and call for the minimum wage to go up than it is to actually solve the problem.

2sides2everystory

Fortunately they were for me (as for most people) in the early part of my working life, which gave me the insight and drive to upskill and change my value.

Your value or your values?

What did your t-shirt actually say after you got sick of catering? I'm not luvin it?

You think most people only have to endure low pay and working conditions in the early part of their working lives because their insight and drive should be enough to carry them to greater things and then keep them there?

I think you may have led a charmed life to this point

I have insights a-plenty and drive you'd maybe not credit (you even call graduates "grads" like they are some grist to your mill), but real life just ain't like the way you say it played for you for most people; consequently I don't think the view from down here is that unusual.