Another balls up by the DWP

dave030445

Got a letter this morning from the jobcenter saying that the government want to limit how long you can claim ESA. The letter goes on to say that because i'm on contribution base ESA and in the WRG my claim may be limit to 12 months. They really dont know what there doing. Any one else had a letter.

fluffymovie

Although the policy might stink, what's the error?

NASA_2

Not only do they know what they are doing - they spell Jobcentre the proper way and not the american way.

Mupette

It's right, that is the way they are doing this now.

dave030445

But I'm on IB ESA they really need to sort themselves out.

NASA_2

They dont need to sort themselves out.

If you have ever been in recceipt of ESA(C) then they will write out to you - if your ESA(C) is topped up by ESA(IR) they will write to you.

If you have never received ESA(C) then you obviously havent been working for a while and really should stop whining anyway.

alluring29

fluffymovie wrote: »

Although the policy might stink, what's the error?

Their error is that this Bill has not even been passed yet!

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) is sending letters to claimants saying the contributory employment support allowance (ESA) will be time-limited to one year for people deemed capable of returning to employment, meaning those already receiving the benefit could lose their financial help in six months' time.

The provision is included in the bill, which has still to go to the House of Lords for scrutiny. Campaigners believe there is a chance that plans to time-limit ESA may still be scrapped, particularly after Liberal Democrat delegates voted against the imposition of time limits at their party conference earlier this week.

The chief executive of Macmillan Cancer Support, Ciar!n Devane, accused the government of behaving as if the welfare reform bill had been already passed.

"[The] Lords will no doubt be angry that claimants are being told they could lose their benefits before they have had the opportunity to debate the proposals in detail.

"The letters will cause a great deal of distress to thousands of cancer patients and their families who will be left wondering whether their vital financial support will be taken away or not. We will continue to urge the government to think again."

Neil Coyle, director of policy for the Disability Alliance charity, said the impact of cutting support would be particularly devastating for people with a terminal illness who have been told they only have a limited time left to live. "Many will have worked for years and will feel they deserve a little support in return until they pass away."

The alliance claims that 700,000 people will eventually be affected by the change in support, and alleges that 400,000 would have to lose all support if the government were to meet its target of cutting the welfare bill by £2bn. The government's own estimates show that 90% of people claiming ESA spend more than a year out of work. Macmillan says nearly 7,000 cancer patients will lose up to £94 a week.

The DWP insisted terminally ill claimants would not lose the allowance if they were unfit to work, and said the 12-month time limit was intended to act as an incentive for those capable of returning to "work-related activity". Those assessed as in need of support because of illness or family circumstances would continue to receive the allowance, it added.

A spokesman said: "It will depend on the individual's capacity to work. Everyone will be assessed on an individual basis and if the decision is that they are able to start the journey back to work there will be a time limit.

"Speaking of terminal illness is clearly emotive and if they are on their deathbed they will clearly not be going back to work, but if someone is not in that position they may be able to lead a normal life which could involve work. The process of working may even be helpful in giving them a sense of being useful and prolonging their lives.

"There is no benefit or advantage in just cutting the ESA. It is not some arbitrary target."

The spokesman said the letters were being sent out in advance of the legislation being passed in order to give claimants maximum warning of the possible change.

He added that ESA was not designed for people to claim for the long term. "We must ensure that the benefit system has to be fair to taxpayers as well as disabled people."

Those DWP comments sparked further fury, with the Disability Alliance saying it intended to lodge a formal complaint at what it called the "outrageous" suggestion that ESA claimants were not also taxpayers. "DWP suggesting the welfare system needs to be 'fair for the taxpayer' is exactly what we are asking: those who pay in should be entitled to support, especially in difficult circumstances like being told you will be passing away. It is utterly misrepresenting the policy for DWP attempt to skew debate and pretend all benefit recipients have never worked."

Claudia Wood, head of public services and welfare at the thinktank Demos, said the one-year time limit was "arbitrary" and "punitive". She called for the time limit to be flexibly linked to the average time it takes for an ESA claimant to get a job. This might currently be up to three years but in a stronger job market it might be as little as 18 months.

bobajob_1966

alluring29 wrote: »

Neil Coyle, director of policy for the Disability Alliance charity, said the impact of cutting support would be particularly devastating for people with a terminal illness who have been told they only have a limited time left to live. "Many will have worked for years and will feel they deserve a little support in return until they pass away."

So someone with a limited time left to live will be concerned about their benefits being cut after a year ... Did you miss the contradiction in that statement?

NASA_2

Here is a link to the letter: http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/esa-proposed-changes-letter.pdf

I think it is pretty clear that this is a preparatory letter and nothing more. It's letting people know that in the near future, if passed by parliament, ESA(C) will be time limited.

Stop whining about it !!!!!!.

bobajob_1966

NASA wrote: »

Here is a link to the letter: http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/esa-proposed-changes-letter.pdf

I think it is pretty clear that this is a preparatory letter and nothing more. It's letting people know that in the near future, if passed by parliament, ESA(C) will be time limited.

Stop whining about it !!!!!!.

The DWP are forever being criticised for not notifying claimants of changes before they happen - the letter seems very clear to me, and gives people good time to make plans. Seems some people won't be satisfied whatever they do!

alluring29

bobajob_1966 wrote: »

So someone with a limited time left to live will be concerned about their benefits being cut after a year ... Did you miss the contradiction in that statement?

I suggest you contact the person quoted then.