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Rents essentially unchanged since august 2008.
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Yes you did make a feeble effort Robmatic.
Your "counter argument" appears to hinge on the rather pleasant fact that I have had just one increase in rent in 3 years.
Not really. I've based it on the evidence that you've provided that rents have risen, albeit slowly, over the last 3 years. You've kindly also provided anecdotal evidence that your own rent has risen slowly over the same period. You have suggested that this is great news for renters. I've combined this with the observation that over the same time period mortgage costs have substantially decreased.
If a slow increase in cost is a 'fairly good outcome' for someone who rents, it follows that a substantial decrease in cost for a mortgage-holder is an even better outcome.Which does rather suggest that your counter argument is some what irrelevant and meaningless.
It neither negates or validates the statistics in question,
and it does not undermine whats a fairly good outcome for me.
I have not taken a position on the statistics; your 'fairly good outcome' should, however, be taken in context.So clearly you've failed in both the logical argument category (no surprise there) and the embittered passive aggressive personal attack category (standard MO for geneers gals).
You've stated that I have failed logically. I have actually noticed that you are wont to claim victory, or state that others are illogical etc., without being able to demonstrate that this is the case. This is not a particularly strong debating tactic.
And personal attack? Embittered? I simply clarified an anecdote that you were only too keen to provide.0 -
Not really. I've based it on the evidence that you've provided that rents have risen, albeit slowly, over the last 3 years. You've kindly also provided anecdotal evidence that your own rent has risen slowly over the same period. You have suggested that this is great news for renters. I've combined this with the observation that over the same time period mortgage costs have substantially decreased.
No robstatic, thats what you're saying now.
Thats not what you said before. :rotfl:
If a slow increase in cost is a 'fairly good outcome' for someone who rents, it follows that a substantial decrease in cost for a mortgage-holder is an even better outcome.
Of course It also follows that a substantial decrease in mortgage costs combined with a substantial decrease in house prices is an even better outcome. Doesn't it?
I have not taken a position on the statistics; your 'fairly good outcome' should, however, be taken in context.
What context would that be.
Because a few posts ago it was in the context of the UK averages.
Previously you stated my personal situation was at odds with the UK averages. Now you state that my personal situation is in line with the UK averages. Do please make up your mind.
You've stated that I have failed logically.
I will also state that having done so you've also elected to completely contradict.
Therefore leading to the inevitable conclusion that you can't even be consistent in making an utterly meaningless arguments.I have actually noticed that you are wont to claim victory, or state that others are illogical etc., without being able to demonstrate that this is the case.
An assertion which is not only unsupported, it is also readily discredited by the fact that I have indeed provided clear statements
supporting my conclusions.This is not a particularly strong debating tactic.
Neither is contradicting yourself, or making meaningless assertions readily negated by scrolling a few posts up the page.
Wouldn't you agree.
And personal attack? Embittered? I simply clarified an anecdote that you were only too keen to provide.
If you say so rob. 0 -
No robstatic, thats what you're saying now.
Thats not what you said before. :rotfl:
My first post in this thread was this:So, while mortgage costs have dropped like a stone, renting has become increasingly expensive? This is indeed excellent news for those who have chosen to rent.
I should perhaps point out that the second sentence is an example of irony whilst we compare it with this:Not really. I've based it on the evidence that you've provided that rents have risen, albeit slowly, over the last 3 years. You've kindly also provided anecdotal evidence that your own rent has risen slowly over the same period. You have suggested that this is great news for renters. I've combined this with the observation that over the same time period mortgage costs have substantially decreased.
We could then conclude that you're fabricating your argument.Of course It also follows that a substantial decrease in mortgage costs combined with a substantial decrease in house prices is an even better outcome. Doesn't it?
So now you accept that my deduction is valid? Good. We can come back to this later.
What context would that be.
Because a few posts ago it was in the context of the UK averages.
Previously you stated my personal situation was at odds with the UK averages. Now you state that my personal situation is in line with the UK averages. Do please make up your mind.
I don't actually recall stating that your personal situation was at odds with the UK averages. Perhaps you could refresh my memory and show me where I did so? Or are you fabricating an argument again?
Just to be clear, the context here would be a comparison between rental costs with mortgage costs.
I will also state that having done so you've also elected to completely contradict.
Therefore leading to the inevitable conclusion that you can't even be consistent in making an utterly meaningless arguments.
So, you state that I am illogical then proceed to accept my deduction. You then state that I am contradicting myself whereas the textual record seems to indicate otherwise. How valid does that make your conclusion?
And, by the way, that's awful sentence construction.
An assertion which is not only unsupported, it is also readily discredited by the fact that I have indeed provided clear statements
supporting my conclusions.
You can provide statements without them being valid, and without a sound argument being constructed.Neither is contradicting yourself, or making meaningless assertions readily negated by scrolling a few posts up the page.
Wouldn't you agree.
I would readily agree, but then you seem to have done both of these things within your post. Oh dear.0 -
My LHA for a 1-bedder shows a decrease of £2.30/week since August 2008. It wouldn't make me rich would it.0
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My first post in this thread was this:
A post which turned out to be incorrect, as - adopting the bull method - rents are clearly unchanged over the last 3 years.I should perhaps point out that the second sentence is an example of irony whilst we compare it with this:
Though of course as the first part was incorrect, all Irony would be negated yes.
We could then conclude that you're fabricating your argument.
Not if we understand that your conclusions appear to be incorrect quite often.
So now you accept that my deduction is valid? Good. We can come back to this later.
In fact I never suggested your deduction wasn't valid.
So you appear to be incorrect again.
I don't actually recall stating that your personal situation was at odds with the UK averages. Perhaps you could refresh my memory and show me where I did so? Or are you fabricating an argument again?
Fabricating the argument it seems. Having checked back, it seems you were actually meal out of the fact that average rents have gone by the cost of a couple of packets of fags.
No doubt why I was nonplussed.
Just to be clear, the context here would be a comparison between rental costs with mortgage costs.
Obviously because the context of "have rents actually increased" didn't really work out all that well for you.
So, you state that I am illogical then proceed to accept my deduction. You then state that I am contradicting myself whereas the textual record seems to indicate otherwise. How valid does that make your conclusion?
I stand corrected Robmatic.
It appears as if you can actually can consistent in making utterly meaningless arguments.
You can provide statements without them being valid, and without a sound argument being constructed.
It seems I can also admit when I was wrong.
Unlike your good self it seems.
I would readily agree, but then you seem to have done both of these things within your post. Oh dear.
Of course that is just a statement without a sound argument to support it. I suggest that you are now obliged to provide evidence for your statement.
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Excellent news for renters.
According to LSL property services rents have risen by only a few quid in the last few years.
Appying the Bullish principle of selecting two arbitrary points and ignoring everything thats happened inbetween, we can safely conclude the rents have not only stagnated, but seen significant real term falls.
Excellent news indeed for renters. As everyone knows the official inflation figures are not correct, just look at how much utility bills are going up to see real inflation is way more than they claim. So rents are in fact falling in real terms along with house prices.0 -
So, how long have you been renting then?
I rented a rooms in student halls at 17.
Same as last time you asked.
Let me guess Clownbumbles, you're going to calculate what I "lost" by not buying myself a flat whan I was 17 right?
Why not. Its gone from Dec 2005, to January 2005, to 2001.
You slip those goalposts all the way back there, maybe we won't notice. :rotfl:
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I rented a rooms in student halls at 17.
Same as last time you asked.
Let me guess Clownbumbles, you're going to calculate what I "lost" by not buying myself a flat whan I was 17 right?
Certainly not. It would be foolish to do so at 17.
Although leaving it until you're pushing 40 hasn't been your best move. If I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0 -
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