Council disclosed information to landlord

birkee

john539 wrote: »

What has this got to do with this thread ?

This thread is about LA contacting landlord when tenant said they didn't want them to.

You're bringing everything & anything into the mix.

So how did this council expose this fraud when they contacted the ring of family fraudsters. This has nothing to do with this thread.[/QUOTE]

It has everything to do with this thread.
The fraud was discovered by accident, and led to a sequence of family members.
The contacts were then made so the "apparent Landlords" could state that they were renting to the named person at the specified rent.
Some people keep saying, that the benefits agency CAN'T contact the Landlord, but they clearly DO, but only when their suspicions are aroused quite possibly.
What benefit agency is going to give people money, and give up their right to check the facts of the case? Get real!

MissMoneypenny

birkee wrote: »

Some things that go on in private, are unacceptable to both Landlord and / or Society at large.

"Society at large" has differing views.
i.e. I don't like the fact the someone can come straight out of education and have access to welfare when living with family; you think that's fine and that they should have extra welfare. To combat these different views, we have the vote. Then we all live by these laws; even if we don't like them and really don't want to go to work to pay for them.

birkee

john539 wrote: »

Sorry not sure what you're getting at.

Better to be clear than smart.

My post was answering someone asking why LA would want to contact LA when they have all info.

LA can contact, but generally don't.

You don't seem to be very clear discriminating between do, don't, can, and can't.

birkee

john539 wrote: »

Nope !

If it's that simple, get your friend or someone on street to act as the landlord.

You could startup a pyramid fraud. :rotfl:

Exactly what happens!
Another post ignoring the case I quoted earlier.
A family of immigrants owning about six houses, and all renting to each other. All claimg housing benefits etc.
Think that qualifies as a pyramid fraud, don't you?

birkee

puddy wrote: »

and as i said earlier, seeing as you have no way of knowing whether someone receives HB or not, why did you pick an insurance policy which exludes cover for when you have a tenant on hb?

unless you're happy to not be covered for those particular things?

and to all landlords, i say again, you are not 'entitled' to check the property during tenure, despite any such clause in the tenancy agreement as this is overidden by the tenants right to quiet enjoyment of the property. they can agree but they dont have to

And if they refuse to agree, the Landlord has a right to refuse to rent to them.
You can't sign up to his rules, and then refuse to accept them. That's a breach of contract.

birkee

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Again, maybe it is best if you join a landlords assocaition so they can help you understand the law and hopefully not end up in court on criminal charges.

You seem bloody mindedly determined to threaten to get Landlords before the court and jailed.
What axe are you grinding?

puddy

birkee wrote: »

Why is this so hard to understand?
I used extreme examples in frustration, to indicate that the act of paying rent, does NOT entitle the Tenant to "quiet and private enjoyment of their home" as keeps getting quoted.

Some things that go on in private, are unacceptable to both Landlord and / or Society at large.
Some Tenants are no longer entitled to that laws protection because of unacceptable behaviour IN PRIVATE, or contravention of their tenancy agreement.

but you're talking about illegal behaviour that when alerted to the authorities, is investigated by those authorities

such as a private home owner who neighbours spot has a strange smell and his wife is now missing, phone the police and say they're worried she's buried under the patio

thats completely different to a landlord 'checking up'

birkee

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

"Society at large" has differing views.
i.e. I don't like the fact the someone can come straight out of education and have access to welfare when living with family; you think that's fine and that they should have extra welfare. To combat these different views, we have the vote. Then we all live by these laws; even if we don't like them and really don't want to go to work to pay for them.

And you think someone who seeks refuge with his Grandparents, should be supported by two OAP's?
Pensions aren't calculated to support more than the receipients.
Now he's back at college, he not longer receives welfare, as I've stated.
AND....what happens when the whole family are on welfare?

Why have you suddenly become obsessed with my Grandson?

puddy

birkee wrote: »

And if they refuse to agree, the Landlord has a right to refuse to rent to them.
You can't sign up to his rules, and then refuse to accept them. That's a breach of contract.

you cannot enforce any contractual agreement if that agreement is against the laws of the land

if the landlord wants to check the property, and the tenant (having signed a contract to agree this) then doesnt agree, the landlord could try to end the tenancy based on breach of contract

but i wouldnt hold their breath. an eviction order has to be issued by a judge. the landlord would be best placed to simply wait for the end of the natural tenancy and not renew it and wait for some other more gullible tenant to come along who doesnt know the law

birkee

puddy wrote: »

but you're talking about illegal behaviour that when alerted to the authorities, is investigated by those authorities

such as a private home owner who neighbours spot has a strange smell and his wife is now missing, phone the police and say they're worried she's buried under the patio

thats completely different to a landlord 'checking up'

When the Landlords suspicions are aroused, he either checks up, or he goes straight to the Police.
Pick the option.

What about the current trend of renting houses, and them being set up as cannabis farms? How does the Landlord confirm his suspicions?

"My Landlord reported us to the Police because he could smell cannabis! It was my Sisters boyfriend that was smoking a spliff!"
"The blo*dy Police raided our home!"

Entitled to "quiet and peacefull enjoyment" has its limits.