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Council disclosed information to landlord

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  • MissMoneypenny
    MissMoneypenny Posts: 5,324 Forumite
    edited 25 September 2011 at 11:00AM
    FBaby wrote: »
    Why then are landlords/agencies entitled to visit the property every 3 months to check on the property?

    The checks are to look for any repairs that need doing to the property; not to check up on the tenent. Look it up.

    A tenant can refuse these checks, but if they are then injured because of something that wasn't repaired, they have no claim against the landlord.

    Surely you checked the housing laws before you entered into the business of being a landlord? They are quite easy to read and you are legally responsible for the things your agent forgets to do, unless you have a watertight contract with them. Most councils now employ 1 or 2 staff just to deal with landlords/letting agents who break the law and they do take these landlords to court. The professional landlords on the renting board are always amazed when people enter into the business and don't know the laws.


    FBaby wrote: »
    You seem to think that if they knock off walls whilst they lived there but promised that they would built it back before leaving they wouldn't be able to be evicted?

    I really hope you are very wrong...

    That example is extreme, but it just about sums it up.

    The UK has very poor laws for tenants compared to our European cousins. In countries like France, Austria and Germany, they have 3 year tenancies that only the tenant can break (with good cause i.e. job location) and the landlord can only break if the rent falls behind. If the tenants quality of life is affected, then tenant gets a rent reduction. The quality of like affected can be things like slow repairs or building noise from roadworks. Those countries also cap rents.
    RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
    Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.


  • birkee
    birkee Posts: 1,933 Forumite
    FBaby wrote: »
    ha ha, like how you jump to conclusion... my wording was 'entitled' to do a check every 3 months, long way away from having a legal right to do so, but surely, what is the point of this entitlement if in the end, there is nothing you can do at all with what you could find?

    Of course I am not talking about dirty carpet, I am talking about more serious matters such as holes in the walls, cables ripped apart, smell of dog's poo and such things.

    At which stage tenants' rights start and landlord's stops and vice versa? Surely that is the basis of the contract? If the landlord doesn't want dogs in the property and states it in the contract, it is up to the tenant to decide whether they are prepared to abide by it or not. If they don't like it they can go somewhere else... so surely if a landlord does a visit and find 5 dogs with damage to the property and horrible smell coming from the brand new carpets, they have a right to give notice for the dogs to go and repairs carried out immediately and then give notice of eviction if still not sorted after a certain time?

    At LAST, Rational as opposed to Partisan!

    Thank YOU FBaby! :T
  • birkee wrote: »
    As a concession to missmoneypenney, there ARE some bloody awful Landlords who need to be bought to book, but that doesn't entitle the Tenant to carte blanche entitlement to quiet enjoyment of their home under any circumstances.

    Iv'e been trying to work out why you are so angry at the law, when you have already said you aren't a landlord. Is it because you wanted your grandson to claim LHA as well as JSA when he came to live with you?
    RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
    Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.


  • antrobus
    antrobus Posts: 17,386 Forumite
    birkee wrote: »
    Sorry, but you're wrong. It was Ethel that was the abortionist, and it was after he murdered her, that Christie tried to carry on, but was incompetant, and murdered to cover up the evidence.
    The first one he tried abortion on, was Evans's Wife, for whom he got Evans hanged

    Christie's first two certain victims - Ruth Fuerst (1943) and Muriel Amelia Eady (1944) - were killed whilst his wife was away visiting her sister in Sheffield. Christie was having an affair with the first, whilst he lured the latter to his home by offering to cure her bronchitis. Christie's last three certain victims were killed in 1953 after he'd bumped off his wife in 1952. Of those three victims only Rita Nelson is known to have been pregnant, and it is presumed that Christie used the abortionist ruse on her, if only because Timothy Evans claimed that his wife died during a botched abortion carried out by Mr Christie (and not Mrs Christie). However the post mortem carried out on Evans's wife confirmed that no abortion, attempted or otherwise, was carried out. (Which was one of the things that did for Evans at his trial.)

    There is as far as I'm aware not the slightest piece of evidence whatsoever that Ethel Christie carried out any abortions. Neither is there any evidence that John Christie actually carried out any abortions, only that he pretended to do so on at least one occasion.

    And I'm still not convinced that this has anything to do with landlord-tenant law, as I can't see how any landlord, on discovering that their tenant was a homicidal maniac, would by obliged to do anything other than what any ordinary person would be obliged to do. Which is, of course, report the matter to the police.
  • I ticked to give them permission to contact my landlord and they never did....

    Don't know why they would of disclosed the information especially if you said you don't give permission.
  • antrobus
    antrobus Posts: 17,386 Forumite
    I ticked to give them permission to contact my landlord and they never did....

    Don't know why they would of disclosed the information especially if you said you don't give permission.

    Ah, back on topic.

    Well despite the thread title, what the OP said was;
    lolly22 wrote: »
    ... my landlord tells me he has received a letter from the council saying I am claiming housing benefit and asking him to contact them.

    So apart from the fact that the landlord is now aware that the OP has made a claim for HB, it isn't clear what (if any) 'information' that the LA has disclosed. And since the HB application form makes it clear that the LA can contact the landlord to confirm information without the applicant's permission, it would appear likely that is precisely what has happened.
  • FBaby
    FBaby Posts: 18,374 Forumite
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    The checks are to look for any repairs that need doing to the property; not to check up on the tenent. Look it up.

    A tenant can refuse these checks, but if they are then injured because of something that wasn't repaired, they have no claim against the landlord.

    Surely you checked the housing laws before you entered into the business of being a landlord?

    Are you so sure you know the law so well yourself??? Because your advice goes against what I have read. On england.shelter.org.uk, it states clearly the following:

    What does the tenant have to do if there is disrepair?

    As a tenant you will need to give notice of any disrepair. The landlord will not be responsible until they know about the problem. There is no breach of their obligations if the landlord carries out the necessary repairs within a reasonable time. The landlord should reply to the tenant within a reasonable time after receiving the tenant’s letter.
    At this point, the landlord should show the tenant all relevant documents, and confirm whether they accept responsibility, and if so, what action(s) they will take to fix the problem.
    If no satisfactory response is received the tenant may start court action.

    No offence, but I don't believe from what you've been writing that you are the expert in tenancy law you claim to be...
  • antrobus wrote: »
    Ah, back on topic.

    Well despite the thread title, what the OP said was;



    So apart from the fact that the landlord is now aware that the OP has made a claim for HB, it isn't clear what (if any) 'information' that the LA has disclosed. And since the HB application form makes it clear that the LA can contact the landlord to confirm information without the applicant's permission, it would appear likely that is precisely what has happened.

    But, doing that gives the information away anyway like you said, surely? but why would they contact their landlord for information there is other ways to get information via tenancy aggreement and proof of paying rent.

    Thats all I gave and I got benefit within 2 weeks
  • john539
    john539 Posts: 16,968 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts
    But, doing that gives the information away anyway like you said, surely? but why would they contact their landlord for information there is other ways to get information via tenancy aggreement and proof of paying rent.

    Thats all I gave and I got benefit within 2 weeks
    The LA might contact a random selection of landlords as additional fraud check to check details they are allowed to, to check details match what tenant says & landlord exists & agrees.
  • john539
    john539 Posts: 16,968 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 10,000 Posts
    birkee wrote: »
    Sorry, but you're wrong. It was Ethel that was the abortionist, and it was after he murdered her, that Christie tried to carry on, but was incompetant, and murdered to cover up the evidence.
    The first one he tried abortion on, was Evans's Wife, for whom he got Evans hanged

    p.s. The point was, that Tenants can behave in ways that demand Landlord interference, regardless of the Law on "right to peaceful enjoyment" of the property.
    Are you mad ? :eek: :rotfl:
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