Liability Order

kevin137

For me to make a claim in the UK i must be resident, and HMRC know that i am not resident, so i would be committing fraud.

And i don't have an MP as again, i am not resident in the UK.

As for the CSA not taking any notice of HMRC, is that not a contradiction of them getting there info so as to assess you in the 1st place, that is where they find out all your info...!

By failing to take notice of changes of circumstances, and then beating down my door so to speak to claim a debt that does not exist, brit a government agency or other, it is still harassment...! And before you say a government agency cannot harass an individual, the reason i got the injunction in the 1st place is because they are actually 12 separately registered businesses with shareholders. So you can actually file a charge of harassment against them the same as you would any other individual or company.

manglesey25

kevin137 wrote: »

For me to make a claim in the UK i must be resident, and HMRC know that i am not resident, so i would be committing fraud.

As far as HMRC goes, you dont HAVE to work. If you are not registered as self employed with HMRC you dont eve need to tell them you have returned. You only do that if you return to self emplioyed work in the UK otherwise your employer will do it.

kevin137 wrote: »

And i don't have an MP as again, i am not resident in the UK.

Go through the british embassy in Oslo.

kevin137 wrote: »

As for the CSA not taking any notice of HMRC, is that not a contradiction of them getting there info so as to assess you in the 1st place, that is where they find out all your info...!

The CSA is selective in what info it wants to know. Generally the CSA obtains facts under its own motion when it suits them.

kevin137 wrote: »

By failing to take notice of changes of circumstances, and then beating down my door so to speak to claim a debt that does not exist, brit a government agency or other, it is still harassment...!

Seek expert advice on this. I dont know enough about civil procedure on harassment.

kevin137 wrote: »

And before you say a government agency cannot harass an individual, the reason i got the injunction in the 1st place is because they are actually 12 separately registered businesses with shareholders. So you can actually file a charge of harassment against them the same as you would any other individual or company.

The CSA has shareholders? I didnt know that.

kevin137

Yes and it has CCJ's registered against it as well...! Haha

kevin137

kevin137

So now everyone knows the are not in fact a government agency and they do in fact have to abide by the same laws as privately owned companies...!!!

When i originally went for the injunction i played there dirty games, i applied ex-parte, and the judge would not even entertain me getting gan injunction as she herself thought that is was unlawful against a government agency, i provided all the business registrations and she was shocked, and agreed to a 48 hour adjournment so they could be notified, but it had to be by fax, and it had to be due by her clerk. So i phoned the CSA and asked the switchboard for "any" fax number in the building, the poor woman that answered could only find one, and it was in a room that was only used on mondays, so i asked for that one...! The court sent the fax, got a return that it was in fact received, and that was that...! 48 hours later, i attended court, they didn;t as the fax was sitting in a room that was not used until the following week and the injunction was granted.

It was adjourned for a further 4 weeks and when i returned they did in fact attend having now been served with the injunction, there argument was that they where in fact a government agency and they could not be served with an injunction, the judge asked how they could answer the business registrations and they could not, but had to concede that they where registered as businesses.

They then tried to argue that they had not received the fax, and the judge had the received paperwork, and threw that straight out..! there next argument was that i had deceived the judge by way of using a number that i knew would not be answered...! The judges response was, so if Mr H is on holiday and you post something is he deemed to of received it even though he is not there...? And there answer was yes, by the sheer fact that it had been posted it is deemed to be received in accordance with there policies. She gave a very quick reply, and said by answering with that answer, you would in fact be saying that THIS COURT did not send you the fax, but we have in fact sent it, and you did in fact receive it, so that objection is denied as well...!

And there you have the basis for finding out how the CSA lie and deceive and that judges do not always take there side...

manglesey25

This is interesting because some of the CCJs listed above are default judgments. That means the CSA has ignored the defendants response pack and allocation questionaire and the proceedings carry on their merry way.

Its quite dengerous for the CSA because a Judgment creditor only needs a 3rd party debt order, and the first the CSA would know about it is a debit from their bank account.

Defending it retrospectively and getting the money back would be very difficult. The address is verified and service of documents have been effected under Section 7 of the Interpretation Act 1978.

Rorkes_Drift

If they dont bother to read their mail, I doubt anyone is watching the bank account.

I wouldnt be surprised if NRPs have reclaimed their money quietly, and the CSA is blissfully unaware.

A 3rd party debt order doesnt require the bank it has been served on, to tell the account holder the it has been executed.

kevin137

If they dont bother to read their mail, I doubt anyone is watching the bank account.

That is very true...!

Wasteland_Drifter

Kevin, you may have found a way for NRPs who have been overcharged, to reclaim their money without a fight.

kevin137

I think very good accounting, and a very thorough knowledge of there assessment rules is in order before people start issuing though, and you need to keep paying in the meantime as well..! You know what the CSA are like, any excuse to screw you...!