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Should gay marrige be allowed?
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sweetstudent wrote: »If we really want to get onto the religious debate.......(and this is just my own view and i do not believe in any religion)
If you believe Jesus existed and went around with 12 other men, and nowhere does it say that he slept with women.....did he sleep with any of his followers cause i cant believe that any adult would go around for 2 decades and not want any sexual experiences...... i know i will probably rattle a few cages but if you think of it logically if there are no women mentioned (save for Mary M) then he must have happened with his followers..... (once again this is my own view, i do not claim this to be the truth or the public viewpoint of any other person)
You could also say that if God created man/woman then he also created homosexuality and so therefore as gods 'children' why try to stop gay marriage? Surely peoples energy would be better served trying to help other people and not being ignorant and intolerant!
Catholic priests are celibate.0 -
sweetstudent wrote: »If we really want to get onto the religious debate.......(and this is just my own view and i do not believe in any religion)
If you believe Jesus existed and went around with 12 other men, and nowhere does it say that he slept with women.....did he sleep with any of his followers cause i cant believe that any adult would go around for 2 decades and not want any sexual experiences...... i know i will probably rattle a few cages but if you think of it logically if there are no women mentioned (save for Mary M) then he must have happened with his followers..... (once again this is my own view, i do not claim this to be the truth or the public viewpoint of any other person)
You could also say that if God created man/woman then he also created homosexuality and so therefore as gods 'children' why try to stop gay marriage? Surely peoples energy would be better served trying to help other people and not being ignorant and intolerant!
Nowhere does it say he slept with men either.
Supposedly, Jesus (like Catholic priests) was celibate, and dedicated his life to doing God's work.
Your implication that someone is gay because they hang about with men and you haven't heard about them sleeping with women is about as sensible as me assuming the crazy cat lady down the road sleeps with cats (well, I've never seen her with men!)
Also, religiously, there's the argument that God created man/woman, but the devil corrupted them with homosexuality, and their 'test of faith' is whether or not they choose to follow temptation or give in to evil.
Religiously, not everything is as black and white as it seems, and as a general rule if it's great, God did it. If God says it's bad, but it still happens it's the work of the devil/a test of faith.0 -
If you re read my post the choice refers to gay practise not the state of being gay.
What is "gay practise"?Catholic priests are celibate.
I believe some children might be able to refute that!...
Also, religiously, there's the argument that God created man/woman, but the devil corrupted them with homosexuality, and their 'test of faith' is whether or not they choose to follow temptation or give in to evil.
Religiously, not everything is as black and white as it seems, and as a general rule if it's great, God did it. If God says it's bad, but it still happens it's the work of the devil/a test of faith.
Religiously god is all powerful and all knowing then he is aware of evil, able to stop it, but doesn't.
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
Epicurus
Religion has nothing to do with marriage, religion has corrupted it to its own end and then thinks it has the final say.0 -
What is "gay practise"?
A sexual act between the same sexI believe some children might be able to refute that!
The same old chestnut.;)....a bit of originality wouldn't go amiss, but that may be too much like adult debate?Religion has nothing to do with marriage, religion has corrupted it to its own end and then thinks it has the final say.
For many a marriage is only the religious aspect, the civil aspect merely seals the contract in law. That you do not believe it to be so does not negate that fact.0 -
A sexual act between the same sex
Thats not new that 2000 year old book doesn't like heterosexual sex either.
Pointing out the years of abuse the catholic church tried to cover up and those !!!!!philes its still protecting is less "adult" than saying homosexual marriage is wrong because a 2000 year old book says it is???The same old chestnut.;)....a bit of originality wouldn't go amiss, but that may be too much like adult debate?
I'm sure those children don't dismiss it as easily as you do.
And for many religion has nothing to do with marriage, for them marriage has to do with love, not some make believe guy in the clouds.For many a marriage is only the religious aspect, the civil aspect merely seals the contract in law. That you do not believe it to be so does not negate that fact.0 -
Thats not new that 2000 year old book doesn't like heterosexual sex either.
Pointing out the years of abuse the catholic church tried to cover up and those !!!!!philes its still protecting is less "adult" than saying homosexual marriage is wrong because a 2000 year old book says it is???
I'm sure those children don't dismiss it as easily as you do.
And for many religion has nothing to do with marriage, for them marriage has to do with love, not some make believe guy in the clouds.
Did I say it was new? You asked what the definition of gay practise was and I told you.
No one is dismissing anything, you have no idea of my views on this issue so don't presume.
For those for whom marriage has nothing to do with religion there is a civil alternative.0 -
Did I say it was new? You asked what the definition of gay practise was and I told you.
Your definition is a little confused.No one is dismissing anything, you have no idea of my views on this issue so don't presume.
Oh that old chestnut, heh?
Luckily for those of us that know marriage is to do with love theres the humanist alternative; in which the peoples love for each other is celebrated, not out-dated superstition. Its that out-dated superstition that has the problem with gay marriage.For those for whom marriage has nothing to do with religion there is a civil alternative.0 -
Maybe this is a rather simplistic notion...but if (the Old Testament ) God is so vehemently against homosexuality as some here have claimed,and is omnipotent, surely we could just allow Gay religious marriages and see how many of them he strikes down with a lightning bolt to test the theory ?
Re celibacy...Christ sublimated his sexual urges ( and to be fully a man, to be fully understanding of his 'children' he must, surely, also have known what it was to feel desire) and turned his energy and love to all, I think... that was his choice as 'a man'. Which gender he would have preferred if he had not chosen to be celibate is entirely unknown.This is a system account and does not represent a real person. To contact the Forum Team email forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com0 -
Your definition is a little confused.
Do enlighten me.Oh that old chestnut, heh?
Is tit for tat repetition your usual debating style? Very adult.Luckily for those of us that know marriage is to do with love theres the humanist alternative; in which the peoples love for each other is celebrated, not out-dated superstition. Its that out-dated superstition that has the problem with gay marriage.
The religious aspect of marriage celebrates exactly the same for those who want it and adhere to the requirements. All alternatives are to be welcomed for those who want them. Are you suggesting that those who marry in the church don't do so for love? How blinkered!!:D0 -
Marriage is essentially a social contract to ensure goods and chattels remain in the bloodline. It existed long before Christianity or other modern religions. Christianity latched onto it alongside other religions and the idea of courtly love/romance became foisted upon it (arranged marriages, etc.).
So religion is not integral to marriage, but I doubt a gay marriage could ensure ancestors without some very kinky activities.0
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