Another "who to blame" thread

Strider590

Lum wrote: »

These days she has a 1 1/2 hour commute and I half a half hour commute. She considers it a good day if only one person tried to kill her on her commute.

I stopped taking the DC to work in the mornings for this very reason, it was a good day if someone didn't do something stupid that would put me (or others) in danger.

Now I take a single lane A road, that runs near parallel to the DC and though it take me longer and it's 1.4 miles further, I get into work "most" mornings without incident.... Hence the relative reduction in Youtube video's recently.

mikey72

Lum wrote: »

Perhaps Jase and Strider do more mileage than you?

When I used to do 60,000 miles a year due to my job I encountered a lot more idiots than my GF who at the time commuted within the same town we lived in, and I would regularly have stories of stupid people.

These days she has a 1 1/2 hour commute and I half a half hour commute. She considers it a good day if only one person tried to kill her on her commute.

Things like people changing lanes without looking, or seemingly drunk people weaving all over the road are non-events that don't even get mentioned unless we're both in the car together.

No, I did a high milage, all sorts of roads, all over the country, and can't say everyone else tried to kill me every day.

There were idiots, true, but they tended to be easily visible, and easy enough to avoid.

Maybe it's just a matter of perspective.

(Actually I meant you and strider)

Lum

Oh, yes they are easy to spot and avoid. I just like posting about them.

And really it shouldn't be necessary to have to avoid these people on a regular basis.

I guess the times and locations you drive in make a difference too. For example I used to love night time driving as everybody around is much more friendly and helpful. I also find that driving quality is inversely proportional to your distance from a major city (particularly London).

DaveF327

Strider590 wrote: »

Captain slow should have licence revoked..... Probably been driving 40 years and never had an accident.

..probably seen plenty in his / her mirror, though :shocked:

iolanthe07 wrote: »

It's best to give a very slow driver plenty of room and expect anything. They are often elderly, very nervous, or both.

If they're that scared, they should reconsider whether driving's for them.

JimmyTheWig

jase1 wrote: »

If you actually turn right on the roundabout you end up doing a 180 as there is no 3 o'clock exit, just 9, 12 and 6.

Doing a 180 means going straight ahead (12 o'clock). Turning back on yourself (6 o'clock) is a 360.


As to the blame question, I'd say morally the slow driver, legally the undertaking driver.

Lum

No, doing a 360 leaves you facing the same direction you started in.

Wig

2 lanes on approach to RBT
2 lanes on exit from RBT
no marked lanes on RBT but room for two cars abreast
Capt Slow took RHL on approach erroneoualy indicated right and cancelled this on the RBT
On exit from RBT Capt Slow veres left into the left hand side of RBT or aims his car for the LH exit lane, totally ignoring the RH lane on the RBT exit.

Undertaking is not illegal except on Motorways.

Cars on the left were legitimatly using the LH lane (unless the LH lane approach to the RBT is marked with a turn left arrow.)

Capt Slow effectively changed lane without proper due care

I would say 100% Capt Slows fault, especially in the case of the car who was cut up (he had no reason to think Capt Slow was going to cut in)
But there may be a 10% fault or more (in the event of a collision) on the Passat if the Passat had insisted on driving under the left after witnessing what had just happened.


OMO

Lum wrote: »

No, doing a 360 leaves you facing the same direction you started in.

Depends if your reference is the roundabout or your car, but good point.

JimmyTheWig

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

Doing a 180 means going straight ahead (12 o'clock). Turning back on yourself (6 o'clock) is a 360.

Lum wrote: »

No, doing a 360 leaves you facing the same direction you started in.

Interesting way of looking at it. I'd say that 9 o'clock was 90 degrees and 3 o'clock was 270 degrees. But I guess you could say one was 90 degrees left and the other 90 degrees right.

jase1

I was thinking from the car's, rather than the roundabout's, perspective, but I take the point. He'd be going back on himself anyway.

My *suspicion* (although I have no real evidence to back this up) is that, on the approach to the roundabout, the slow driver attempted to 'police' the car immediately behind him who had been weaving behind Capt. Slow and was clearly trying to make him get a move on. Problem is, that car went left....

I may be totally wrong and the slow driver may have been entirely innocent, but I'm not convinced.

Interestingly I came across the same car today, at much the same point. I caught up with him shortly before the road merges back into one lane; he'd been sat in the right-hand lane at low speed with no-one to his left. So this leads me to believe that yesterday was no mistake.

And no I didn't pass him on the left!

cyclonebri1

Is this a hypothetical situation or just a pathetic question???

Seriously, what's the issue??