Help! Can I Make Money From This Website with Adwords??

Bryang

I currently take in £25 per month from my adsense on my forum.

Yeah, I make about the same from my sites from Adsense, it's not mega bucks but it helps.

And my monthly unique visitors on the main site are approx. 15,000

breadlinebetty

steve1980 wrote: »

I currently take in £25 per month from my adsense on my forum. That's where the figure comes from. Not sure if you read the entire thread but I have mentioned this previously.

How many adsense ads do you have on your website Steve? My friend has about 40 adsense ads and told me she makes about £750 a month - maybe I got it wrong?

steve1980

breadlinebetty wrote: »

How many adsense ads do you have on your website Steve? My friend has about 40 adsense ads and told me she makes about £750 a month - maybe I got it wrong?

I have 3 sets on my forum (the maximum that Google would allow on one site).

I hope your friend is declaring all that extra income!

breadlinebetty

steve1980 wrote: »

I have 3 sets on my forum (the maximum that Google would allow on one site).

I hope your friend is declaring all that extra income!

When you say "3 sets" you talking 3 ADVERTS or 3 sets of adsense? one adsense banner can hold up to about 10 or 20 ads cant it?

steve1980

breadlinebetty wrote: »

When you say "3 sets" you talking 3 ADVERTS or 3 sets of adsense? one adsense banner can hold up to about 10 or 20 ads cant it?

3 sets of adsense adverts. I didn't want the forum to be overtaken by Google.

Seraphim

Thermidor wrote: »

Thanks for that, Steve. Wow, I didn't realise the income for such a higl level of visits would be just £25 a month. Going by some of the stuff they write on the web they make it sound like you make THOUSANDS each month from Adsense or advertising - I guessed it was too good to be true! But I'm stll going to do the website, it's a passion of mine, and the income will help with hosting fees etc, so that's a bonus. But it doesn't sound like you could make an income out it?

Actually, you can make a very good income out of online advertising (I do ). I think the key thing is that if you are making a good living out of it, you aren't going to plaster HOW you do it all over the 'net so everyone else becomes a competitor!!

£25/month for 500,000 impressions is very low - they key here is that it is a forum and these tend not to be brilliant in terms for RPM. Different sectors and different kinds of website (forum, blog, information, etc etc) will have massively different RPMs.

In terms of using AdWords to drive traffic to a site in order to get clicks on Adsense - don't bother. Google will be taking a large chunk of the amount the advertiser pays them BEFORE giving anything to their publishers - and that's before you even consider things like click-through-rate (even with the best website in the world, it's highly unlikely that one click on Adwords will generate one click on your Adsense ads on a regular basis). However if you are looking to generate some initial interest in a website in the hope that users will stay long-term and therefore you will recoup your Adwords budget in the long-term... that has legs

If you are doing the blog because it's something you enjoy, go for it If you are doing the blog because you want to become mega-minted, I wouldn't bother.

Good luck with your project

Thermidor

paddyrg wrote: »

One person can (indeed will) generate a whole host of 'hits' just by visiting one page once. If you had a *REALLY* simple webpage, 1 visit would be 1 hit - but that page would not have any colour, graphics, images, script/interaction. As soon as a page gets more complicated (as any wordpress or other site will be) than 1 page visit might be 10, 20 or 50 'hits'. Without going into the details of how HTTP/HTML works (because with caching, it can all get more complicated) assume any 'hits' figure to represent a massively lower number of page views, and that number to represent a much lower number of unique visitors.

Bots are automatic programs that go round reading your website (screenscrapers are a variant of it often with a different motivation) often for indexing (eg to end up on google). They can/will follow every link on your site, so may represent ~100 'hits' each time they visit, and several bots may 'spider' (visit all the links on) your site every week. Again 'hits' are a meaningless measure for most people.

Depending on how it is aggregated, if I visited your site with 10 IP addresses, you probably wouldn't ever know. But again, we are getting into areas that will take me longer to type than they're worth as there are so many caveats at the end of the day!!

As for how much money you'll make, £25/month is the right kind of level to expect - certainly don't expect it to be any kind of living.

Hi Paddy

Thank you for that information, you've been really helpful!

Can I ask you one other thing, please? When you say a person could visit my site with 10 different IP addresses, would they not show up? I'm practicing for my future website on a free one, and on there it shows me all members IP addresses including those of all GUESTS who are just visiting.

I've also noticed IP addresses from all over the world, one of which always comes up (from the US) and has the word 'bot' somewhere in its address. Would there be any words or digits in a screenscraper which would show to me what it was?

Many thanks!

Thermidor

InsideInsurance wrote: »

I get an average of £3 for every 1000 times the advert is shown.

That is because I have 1 advert per page, X% of people click on each advert and the advertisers are paying an average of £Y per click.

Google sum all those up into a simple eCPM figure to save you having to do the calculations each time. Of cause if X or Y changes that then changes the eCPM.

All google ads, to the best of my knowledge, are paid "per click" rather than "per impression".

Not sure about your comment on sale being made through your site? You would assume that as a retailer you would make more profit than as an affiliate but it isnt necessarily the case as certainly some get their sums wrong and some rely on the repeat business to make their actual profit.

Aah! So you get around £3 for every time the ad is shown - that's straightforward for me now. Do I take it that means you get £3 PER ADVERT every time its shown, so if you have say 20 adverts, and have 1000 visits, will you get 3 times 20 - £60 in other words?

Also, do they go by one unique visitor a month, or could that same person visit your site every day and they would see that as 30 days (one month) of visits?

Many thanks!

Thermidor

breadlinebetty wrote: »

Thermidor, I will try and explain it for you as easy as I can. Btw, this £25 a month being bandies about, I don't know how everyone is arriving at that figure,but anyway.....................

For ONE Google ad/Adsense that is on your site (forget the clicks for the minute - just talking ONE ad displayed on your site sitting there doing nothing, people see it when they go on to your site, OK?) ONE ad makes you £3 for EVERY 100,000 VISITS by VISITORS. Those VISITS must be unique visitors - in other words - 100,000 DIFFERENT PEOPLE or 100,000 different ISP addresses.

That is if you only have ONE Ad on your website. You can have more than one. Most people do. Some people can have 40 adverts for example. Browse around on websites and you will see banners advertising different things and underneath on the corner of it will be an arrow to click on, when you click on that more ads will come up.

So if you have for example 40 ads on your site, you will get

£3 for every 100,000 visits on EACH ad

Times that by 40 (40 ads) = £120 for every 100,000 visits.

Some webistes have fewer visits, some have many more.

So this £25 figure is not accurate.

On top of the money for just displaying the ad, you also get money for every time someone clicks on an ad. If they look at it for 20 seconds you get (I'll have to check on this) I think it's around 15p a click - but I'm not sure of the exact amount. There are actually people who sit at home all day clciking on adwords for you to up your income, they earn about 5p a click, so you will get more than 5p a click obviously.

I believe you then get income from any sales made by people who have found the company through your site. So if someone clicks on that Adsense Ad on YOUR site and they buy something from that company you get a little bit for that too. It's not much, could be just pennies , 25p maybe? Someone here will probably know that.

The other advertising you're talking is more one to one, you arrange that yourself with the company. They don't pay per click or visit but pay you a percentage for every sale they make through your site and you can make much better money that way bu the amount varies from company to company and what the deal is.

To your first question again, you get £3 for every 100,00 visits PER ad. So if you had 40 ads, you would make £120. If you had 80 ads you would have £240.

Thank you!

So what you're saying is I would get £3 PER AD for every 1000 visits? So the more ads I have the more money I will make? Is that correct? And those 1000 visits must be from 1000 DIFFERENT people (or IP addresses)?

And then I'll get money on top if any of those visitors click on the adverts?

I'm just trying te verify everything as I'm confusing myself!

Thank you.

Thermidor

paddyrg wrote: »

Although bear in mind, if you have 80 ads, will the site be worth visiting if you have to crawl past all the ads to get to a blog? It is a balancing act. Too many ads and you put the punters and search engines off, and most advertising companies can detect click-farmers too.

You will not get paid any extra for services bought through someone clicking on an ad UNLESS you have an affiliate deal set up with that company.

Hi Paddy,

Do you not get paid for people clicking on the ads? I've been told you do, only a very small amount though? And that's the Adsense ads - or Google ads - which I believe are the same?

Thanks in advance!